Mrs. Rich.

pretending to be a reporter. Am I correct that that was in the printed page?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, what comment have you got to make to that?

Mrs. Rich.

Anyone that made that statement would be either a damn liar or a damn fool.

Mr. Hubert.

Why?

Mrs. Rich.

There is no possible way that Jack Ruby could walk in Dallas and be mistaken for a newspaper reporter, especially in the police department. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that your opinion?

Mrs. Rich.

That is not my personal opinion. That is a fact.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, on what do you base it?

Mrs. Rich.

Ye gods, I don't think there is a cop in Dallas that doesn't know Jack Ruby. He practically lived at that station. They lived in his place. Even the lowest patrolman on the beat. He is a real fanatic on that, anyway.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say even the lowest patrolman on the beat, what do you mean?

Mrs. Rich.

Everybody from the patrolmen on the beat in uniform to, I guess everybody with the exception of Captain Fritz, used to come in there, knew him personally. He used to practically live at the station. I am not saying that Captain Fritz didn't know him. I am saying he was never---I have never seen him in the Carousel. He has always been, I think, a little too far above things for that.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you have seen other high-ranking officers there?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes; I have.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you name them, please?

Mrs. Rich.

I would if I could. I would be only too glad to.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean you don't know?

Mrs. Rich.

I cannot recall names, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you know they were high-ranking officers?

Mrs. Rich.

At that time I knew them. Two years from now, if somebody asked me your name, I would remember I knew you, I had seen you, but I could not tell him your name.

Mr. Hubert.

You remember Captain Fritz' name.

Mrs. Rich.

Everybody remembers Captain Fritz. Will Fritz is quite a famous man. And I would say he is of the highest integrity. Probably the only one I know of on the police department that is.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned in one interview you had with the FBI that you had some information that a contact in regard to this gunrunning business was to be made at the Hotel Nueva Gallina in the city of Guadalajara, Mexico. Is that correct?

Mrs. Rich.

To the best of my knowledge; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you get the information from?

Mrs. Rich.

In the conversation at the second or third meeting.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you mention that to the FBI people in any of your interviews prior to January?

Mrs. Rich.

Not that I recall. I never talked about it prior to the time I went there.

Mr. Hubert.

You spoke to the FBI in November and again in December.

Mrs. Rich.

Let's put it this way. When you say prior to me going to the FBI--I went to the FBI the first time I believe in Oakland. And I do not recall whether or not I told them the first time or the second time about that. Whichever time I told them, I don't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

I think it is a fact, is it not, that you contacted the FBI in Brookline, Mass., sometime in January to tell them that you had been going through some things of yours and had additional information.

Mrs. Rich.

I believe it was in January. It was in Boston, by the way.

Mr. Hubert.

It was in Boston?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes. I believe it was Mr. Stoddard I talked to.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the additional information?

Mrs. Rich.

Right now I do not even remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall that you found something among your things