Mrs. Rich.

different. I think it has to do with the names of some bookmakers and a couple of abortionists I turned in to the district attorney in Boston.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, you mentioned to me earlier that this card which has been identified as Exhibit No. 3 is a card that is usually issued--am I not right--that it is a card usually issued under the requirements of California law to a person who has got a record; is that correct?

Mrs. Rich.

No; that is not correct. No. 1, the card is obsolete. That is why it was back-dated. It was merely a pawnshop identification card.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned that it would establish your status in someway for, I think you used the word, obvious purposes. What would this card do in connection with the work that you were supposed to do?

Mrs. Rich.

Well, the card in itself, nothing. It would prove I was there when I said I was, because I had to attend associations with certain people, who at that time were safely tucked away, but at the time I was supposedly supposed to be there they were not--I was supposedly supposed to have worked for these people. If I recall correctly I said that I have a police record under that same name of Julie Anne Cody.

Mr. Hubert.

And that name that police record--is a fictitious record in the sense that the offenses listed under the name of Julie Anne Cody really did not ever occur.

Mrs. Rich.

That is correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you have any record under your right name?

Mrs. Rich.

Yes, I do.

Mr. Hubert.

What is that?

Mrs. Rich.

That is in Brookline, Mass., and it is a record for prostitution.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that fictitious?

Mrs. Rich.

That is not.

Mr. Hubert.

IS that the only record you have?

Mrs. Rich.

That's correct--that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, I assume that you would know all the records you have.

Mrs. Rich.

Well, when I say that, I was picked up twice in Dallas and both times the charges were dropped--as far as I know. That is what Sy Victorson told me.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you ever charged?

Mrs. Rich.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you ever booked?

Mrs. Rich.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

But you were arrested.

Mrs. Rich.

Yes. One time I was in jail for a couple of hours, the other time 5 hours, because they could not get hold of Sy, who was on the golf course.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you told why you were being arrested?

Mrs. Rich.

I was arrested for investigation of vag, narcotics----

Mr. Hubert.

Of what?

Mrs. Rich.

Vag--vagrancy. Narcotics, prostitution, and anything else they could dream up. This is very shortly after I had threatened to go and bring suit against Mr. Ruby. I was told I might find the climate outside of Dallas a little more to my liking if I didn't take the advice of the police department.

Mr. Hubert.

Who told you that?

Mrs. Rich.

The time I went down and wanted to bring charges against Ruby for assault and battery, I was told not to, and at that time I was also advised--I was not told to leave the city or anything like that, but that it was nice in Chicago, for instance, that time of year.

Mr. Hubert.

And I think you said that you did not remember the name of the man.

Mrs. Rich.

I cannot remember the name of the detective that I spoke to; no.

Mr. Hubert.

But he was the detective on the police force?

Mrs. Rich.

He was. Jack Ruby is very well known in Dallas. A little too well known.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you mean by that?

Mrs. Rich.

Just a personal opinion. I believe now, this is not a fact, this is just talk, this is just personal opinion--I believe at the time of the am I naming it correctly--Oswald assassination, it was claimed that Ruby got in there