I am not sure if I did or not. I don't want to say I did and I don't-want to say I didn't, because I don't remember. No; I didn't leave right after that. I still had a cup of coffee yet. It says I left right after this call.

Mr. Griffin.

This is incorrect; is that what you are saying?

Mr. Senator.

"He said this attorney was not at home, so he got into his car and drove to the attorney's house to wait for his return." This I did not do. What I did was I still sat there and I had two cups of coffee, when this gift hollered out again, "the Carousel, Jack Ruby," which words were sort of mispronounced the way she said it; this is when I went. Of course, I sat there for a little bit, not knowing what the hell to do. This was stunning. I sort of froze right to the seat when I heard that. Page 300. I read too slow, don't I ?

Mr. Griffin.

That is all right. Go ahead.

Mr. Senator.

Let me run this through. I don't catch the last part of this: "He never heard Ruby say Oswald had ever visited either one of the clubs in which Ruby was interested." Does that mean, in other words, the clubs that Jack owned?

Mr. Griffin.

That is right.

Mr. Senator.

All right; OK.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you a few questions. You have had a chance to read that all over. Now on page 298 the FBI reports you in this fashion:
"Senator has no accurate idea as to where Ruby had been all day." That refers to Friday.

Mr. Senator.

November 24.

Mr. Griffin.

November 22.

Mr. Senator.

Twenty-second; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

"But does know that, because of the shooting of the President, Ruby has had many businessmen in Dallas close his business. Senator has some recollection Ruby said he had been at his sister's home for awhile." Is it fair then to draw the conclusion from that statement that, when you talked with the FBI on November 24, you did know what Ruby had done on Friday night, on Friday other than that he had closed his business, and that he had been at his sister's?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. He went to the police station with sandwiches, I heard.

Mr. Griffin.

But, you see, you told the FBI on November 24, when this presumably was as fresh in your mind as it is ever going to be, that you had no accurate idea where Ruby had been all day, and the only things that you could remember were that he closed his business and he had some recollection that he had been at his sister's home for awhile. You didn't mention, I take it, to the FBI on the 24th----

Mr. Senator.

As a matter of fact, I probably forgot to mention it now, come to think of it, the synagogue and things like that.

Mr. Griffin.

You didn't mention the synagogue. You didn't mention that he had been to the police station. You didn't mention----

Mr. Senator.

You must understand, like I told you before, you know, when a man is in a shaken-up condition, it is true that you might say that this should be fresh in my mind, but when a man is in a shaken condition and nervous--and you can't help but be nervous--so I may have slipped up on some of the things that I probably couldn't think of momentarily when he was questioning me.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it possible that the fact is that on the 24th you really didn't know, that it was sometime after the 24th that you learned that Jack had been to the police station with sandwiches, and that he had been to the synagogue, that Jack didn't even tell you this on Friday or Saturday?

Mr. Senator.

I didn't see him Friday.

Mr. Griffin.

Saturday morning, that he didn't tell you Saturday morning that he had been to those places? Is it possible that Jack never told you that?

Mr. Senator.

No, no; he did tell me that. How else would I know? How else-would I have known that?

Mr. Griffin.

You might have learned it since November 24, by talking with somebody or reading something.

Mr. Senator.

Why would I want--let me ask you this--why would I want