Mr. Senator.

to leave out that he went to the police station--if I were able to think of it--or bringing sandwiches? Why would I want to leave out that he went to the synagogue?

Mr. Griffin.

That is why I am suggesting that you didn't know that on the 24th, that it wasn't until later.

Mr. Senator.

I didn't know it on the 24th. I didn't know it. I didn't see him. I didn't know it.

Mr. Griffin.

All right, on November 24, up until the time you were interviewed by the FBI on November 24, you did not know that Jack had been to the police station, and you did not know that he had been to the synagogue.

Mr. Senator.

Oh, yes; I did.

Mr. Griffin.

You learned about that sometime after the 24th.

Mr. Senator.

No; I think I learned it before that.

Mr. Griffin.

See; what I am suggesting is that if you did learn it before the 24th, this would have been something you would have remembered.

Mr. Senator.

You asked what makes something slip a man's mind.

Mr. Griffin.

Wouldn't you be more likely to remember he had been to the police station ,than he had been to visit his sister? If a man had told you on Saturday morning right after the President had been shot that he had been to the police station, and had said anything about what he had done there, wouldn't that have been something that you would have remembered as being important? You would have been curious, wouldn't you? You would have asked the man "What did you see down at the police station? Who did you talk to down there? After all, that was right down there where Oswald was, and where the investigation was going

Mr. Senator.

It is befuddling. I still think it was Saturday. There is an incident I just happened to think of.

Mr. Griffin.

All right.

Mr. Senator.

After he had woken me up on Saturday morning, there was a bunch of sandwiches still wrapped that hadn't been distributed, and--I don't know--I had no idea how many he bought or how many he had made, but he still come home with maybe 6, 8, 10, or 12 of those sandwiches.

Mr. Griffin.

What kind of sandwiches were they?

Mr. Senator.

I think they were corn beef and pastrami on rye, if I remember right, on rye bread. This I do remember, and they were still on the kitchen table, and as a matter of fact they were in two bags, if I remember right. They were in two bags. I think he had some cake too, that he bought in the delicatessen.

Mr. Griffin.

You saw that Saturday morning when you got up?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Does that recall anything further to your mind?

Mr. Senator.

No; now this here I never even told anybody. I never even told this to anybody. This is the first time that I have ever exposed this. It don't matter who is questioning me, this is the first time. Now why didn't I think of this?

Mr. Griffin.

This is not so extraordinary.

Mr. Senator.

No; you may say it is trivial or it may be trivial to me.

Mr. Griffin.

That is the kind of a thing that you might forget and that is also the kind of thing that as you look back from this period of time

Mr. Senator.

I have been trying to think as much as I could. Now I gather I can remember this part, this one here.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember any discussion with Jack about those sandwiches?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he had been to the police station and .he had passed out a lot to various policemen or plainclothesmen- I don't know who. I don't know who he passed them out to. But it seems like I gather that he must have had an awful lot of these made, or whatever it might have been. He must have had a slew of them made. Now why I did it I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Is this possible, that all you would have learned from him, you asked him "Where did you get these sandwiches" and he said "I got them for