Mr. Griffin.

on things of this type as he (Senator) does, i.e., a Jew has no right to express opinions of any sort, especially when he is in business, since he has enough strikes against him just being a Jew."
In other words, this statement about a Jew having no right to express opinions of any sort is a belief that you have, and the FBI is saying you believe that, and you think Ruby believes the same thing.

Mr. Senator.

I don't believe I said that. I don't believe I ever said that. know that Ruby is a sensitive man as far as when the word "Jew" comes up, you know, in something he don't like. He takes tremendous offense. No; I am not of the nature of Jack Ruby.

Mr. Griffin.

Then do you feel that a Jewish person has no business expressing political opinions, and so forth?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, they certainly have a perfect right to express opinions as anybody else. I would probably say--let me say I think they are more careful. I can't speak for every individual, mind you.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you think that Jack felt that a Jewish person has no business expressing

Mr. Senator.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Opinions of any sort, especially when he is in business?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know what he felt. All I know is that he gets pretty sensitive when somebody is knocking it, or jokes and things, things of that nature, he don't go for it nohow.

Mr. Griffin.

This language which we have been quoting arises in a paragraph that starts out:
"Ruby never expressed any special political preferences and never even discussed political matters."
Then it goes on to state this view, that "A Jew has no right to express opinions of any sort," the suggestion being that Ruby never discussed politics because he didn't think a Jew should discuss politics.

Mr. Senator.

I don't know about that. Of course, I can't quote Ruby's words. I can't think for Ruby like I can't think for anybody else.

Mr. Griffin.

But you would say that now your present opinion is that you have no information about Ruby which would make you believe that he declined to be interested in political matters because of his Jewish background, that is, his Jewish background discouraged him or made him feel that he shouldn't have this kind of----

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't even answer that because I don't even know. I don't even know. All I do know is I know that anybody comes out and calls him a God-damned Jew or something to that effect, he don't go for this nohow, he just don't go for it. He is sensitive that way.
Now somebody could say it to me and I would probably be able to laugh it off, whether I did or didn't like it, but I tell you Jack Ruby don't laugh these things off.

Mr. Griffin.

He is sensitive about being criticized because he is a Jew?

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Griffin.

But you don't feel, I take it, that there is necessarily any connection between his sensitivity to being a Jew and his apparent lack of interest in politics?

Mr. Senator.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Griffin.

If now in discussing this situation in an atmosphere which I take it is a little bit more relaxed than it was on November 24th, if you were to offer a judgment as to why Jack Ruby didn't appear to be interested in politics, what would you suggest for the reason?

Mr. Senator.

I have no answer for it, but all I can say is these things don't interest him. He was not interested in these things.

Mr. Griffin.

What is his primary interest?

Mr. Senator.

Show business.

Mr. Griffin.

How about girls? How about sex? Is that an important interest to him?

Mr. Senator.

It is as natural for him as it is for any other male human being.

Mr. Griffin.

Was this a matter, though--was sex something that he dis-as he discussed his business, for example?