Mr. Senator.

No, no. I don't say--I don't say that he hasn't discussed it, but I will say that there isn't any male that hasn't discussed it.

Mr. Griffin.

Go ahead with that page 297 and point out any other paragraphs that you would change or correct.

Mr. Senator.

In this next column here, the only thing is, "Ruby owned a revolver which Senator could describe only by saying it was black. This was kept at the Carousel Club, although occasionally Ruby would carry it back and forth between the club and his home because he usually carried a fairly large sum of money."
Now there is only one little point there I want to bring out, and this is the point I want to bring out:
"This was kept at the Carousel Club, although occasionally Ruby would carry it back and forth between the club and his home,".
This was an everyday occurrence.

Mr. Griffin.

He carried it back and forth every day?

Mr. Senator.

When he left the house to go to the club, bingo, that went with him. When he left the club to go home, that went with him.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this. Did he keep the gun in the apartment or did he keep it in his car?

Mr. Senator.

He kept it in his apartment.

Mr. Griffin.

He kept it in the apartment?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Now would he keep it on his person or would he keep it in a moneybag?

Mr. Senator.

It has been both ways. It all depends on how he is going home. I mean, no particular reason. He has kept it both ways.
Now, I can't quote how many times he has it in his pocket or in his moneybag, something like that, and I can't even quote, maybe occasionally he may have forgotten it and left it in the car. If he did leave it in the car it would be locked in the trunk.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he have the habit of taking the revolver out of the automobile when he got to the Carousel Club and carrying it up into the Carousel Club, or don't you remember?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, he takes it up there, sure. He takes it upstairs. Now if he does it every day, you must understand that I am not watching every move Jack Ruby made.

Mr. Griffin.

How many times did you see it?

Mr. Senator.

I don't even know. I can't quote the times, but I would probably say the majority of times it probably went up, and then again it may have went up all the time. As I say, I am not watching, looking for a bag all the time.

Mr. Griffin.

Is it also possible he may have only taken it up occasionally to the club?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say the majority of the times it went up. If you are asking me to break it down, I can't break it down. First of all, I am not always with him when he is going to the club.

Mr. Griffin.

That is right. On the occasions that you saw him carry it up into the club did he carry it up in his pocket or did he carry it in a bag?

Mr. Senator.

The times that I have seen him, I have seen him have it in the bag.

Mr. Griffin.

I would think that if he didn't have a holster it would be pretty cumbersome to carry that revolver around the club in his pocket.

Mr. Senator.

I have never known him to have a holster. I have never seen one, never seen a holster on him, or what do you call these things, shoulder? I have never seen one.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever see a holster in his automobile?

Mr. Senator.

No. I don't even know if he even had one. This is a part that I have had a lot of trouble with, with a lot of people.

Mr. Griffin.

What part is that?

Mr. Senator.

This is the part--this is why I think they were probably looking at me as a fag or a queer: "Senator on some occasions would refer to Ruby as a boyfriend." And I have said that to many people.

Mr. Griffin.

Why did you happen to use that term?