Mr. Griffin.

Now is it possible that you could have told them this in the anxiety and turmoil that you were under at the time this interview took Place?

Mr. Senator.

I could probably say that anything at that time, that day, could be possible. Maybe I feel it isn't, but let me say that I wasn't in the best of condition that day. I would say anybody that was in the nature that I was in, as I.

Mr. Griffin.

I think again here now the record will reflect, and I want to go through and point these out as you are doing, but I think the record again here will reflect what is accurate as to what has actually happened.
Let's let this thing stand, unless you are 100 percent sure that you didn't say that, let's let it stand on there as written. By "on there" I am referring to the Exhibit 5401.

Mr. Senator.

Now here is a point: "Shortly after Senator first met him, Ruby opened the Sovereign Club on the second floor of the building on the southeast corer of Field and Commerce in downtown Dallas."
Now this was before I got to him.

Mr. Griffin.

He was running the Sovereign Club before you met him?

Mr. Senator.

He was in the Sovereign Club; yes. I don't know how long he was in there, but he was in there before I came that close to him.

Mr. Griffin.

But you. had known Jack?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, I have known him; yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Even when he ran the Silver Spur, didn't you?

Mr. Senator.

No; I wasn't living in Dallas then. That is way before my time.

Mr. Griffin.

You knew him before he opened the Sovereign Club when he only had the Vegas?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, sure. This is the Sovereign Club. Wait a minute. It says shortly after I first met him. My God this don't go that far back, and I have known Ruby, unless he could have meant the Vegas Club, I don't know. Of course, I don't know how important this is to you either.

Mr. Griffin.

Again here I am glad you pointed this out. Here I think that this deposition will clear this up.

Mr. Senator.

Now here is one that says I wasn't able to furnish the individual's name, but I how it now.
"Ruby had a partner in the operation of the Sovereign Club, but Senator was unable to furnish this individual's name."
But we have talked about that name today.

Mr. Griffin.

Joe Slayton.

Mr. Senator.

Joe Slayton; yes, sir. Now I don't think I knew who it was then, who his partner was. "Senator can state only that he believes Ruby to be the sole owner and operator of the present Carousel Club."
Now there was a backer and I knew him well, but I didn't know the conditions.

Mr. Griffin.

Were you reluctant at the time you talked to the FBI to disclose this?

Mr. Senator.

No. You mean to hold back on them?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

That is the way it sounds when you say that.

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No, no; I wasn't. As well as I knew him I didn't know the formality of what he had to the Carousel as many times as he came there. I didn't know what his status was in it. I knew there was a close--I mean he had a close relationship with Jack. He knew him well.
"Ruby actively managed the Carousel Club although he still as far as Senator knows owns the Vegas Club," which we know different now.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you want to go on to the next page?

Mr. Senator.

I am through with that page.

Mr. Griffin.

Look at page 297 of this same report and tell us if there are any changes or modifications or corrections you want to make there.

Mr. Senator.

What is I.E., the initials?

Mr. Griffin.

That means in explanation. The sentence you are referring to is:
"Senator was of the opinion Ruby, since he is Jewish, feels somewhat the same