Mr. Senator.

old friend of Jack's at one time or another. From where, what or how, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know of any friends of Jack----

Mr. Senator.

As a matter of fact, I thought McWillie was two names. I thought his first name was Mac and his last name was Willie. But, of course, I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know of any friends of Jack who are in jail presently in the penitentiary?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you know of a friend, a fellow who Jack had a business association with, who is now in the penitentiary on a sodomy charge?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard that there is somebody. It might be Huntsville. It might be. I am not sure. I heard that somebody is down there. Now who the man is, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack talk about him?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard it mentioned quite some time ago, but who he is, I don't know. I don't know the man. As a matter of fact I don't even know the name.

Mr. Griffin.

Are you familiar with the name H. L. Hunt?

Mr. Senator.

I think everybody is. He is one of the very wealthy men.

Mr. Griffin.

In Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack ever mention having met him?

Mr. Senator.

Not to me.

Mr. Griffin.

You know H. L. Hunt is politically active, he has a radio program.

Mr. Senator.

He is in everything. He is in many, many things, I understand; oh, well, I didn't know what all his activities are, but the name is like, when you hear the name, it is like listening to the name of the President--I mean that well known, I would say.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you ever seen Jack with any literature that was put out by H. L. Hunt?

Mr. Senator.

Not that I know of offhand.

Mr. Griffin.

Have you ever heard Jack mention Lamar Hunt?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. That is his son, I think. I don't think so.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you, George, have you ever belonged to any political organizations?

Mr. Senator.

Never, never.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't simply mean by that the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, but any kind of organization which was interested in some public issue, or something.

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

What was your practice with respect to using Jack's telephone?

Mr. Senator.

What was what?

Mr. Griffin.

Your practice with respect to using Jack Ruby's telephone at home. I take it you used it to make local calls.

Mr. Senator.

Once in a while; yes. I am not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you make long-distance calls, telephone calls, from Jack's home?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't think I have.

Mr. Griffin.

By long distance I mean any toll call, even to Fort Worth.

Mr. Senator.

Not that I know of. I don't think I ever have.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever have occasion to call Ralph Paul from Jack's telephone?

Mr. Senator.

I have called him, but I don't think I have ever called him from the house that I can remember, mind you. Now I don't know if I have ever or not. I can't quote and say "Yes, I did," or "Yes, I didn't."

Mr. Griffin.

Are you able to state whether or not on Friday, November 22, you made any long- distance phone calls from Jack's telephone?

Mr. Senator.

On November 22?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes; Friday, November 22.

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. I don'-t think I did.