Mr. Senator.

I was living next door to Jack. I wasn’t living with him. When you mentioned--was it November?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No; because----

Mr. Griffin.

At the time you met this man you were not living with Jack?

Mr. Senator.

No; I was still living in my same apartment.

Mr. Griffin.

You met him----

Mr. Senator.

I think this was some time in the summer, or maybe the latter part of the summer of 1963.

Mr. Griffin.

How much time did you spend with this man in the Carousel?

Mr. Senator.

Well, he was up at the Carousel. From there we went out and had a bite to eat, and that was it.

Mr. Griffin.

And can you describe him? How old a man was he?

Mr. Senator.

I would probably say he was 6 foot tall. I would say he is around about 6 foot. I don't remember the color of his eyes, black, brown, or blue. I don't remember. Either they are brown or blue. He had a good healthy build, now, of a normal man of that height.

Mr. Griffin.

How old a man was he?

Mr. Senator.

I would have to say maybe in the late forties. I am not sure. I am certain it is in the forties, if anything, you know. It could jump up a little more. I would probably say he was in the----

Mr. Griffin.

How did Jack happen to know this fellow?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. That was the one time I saw him in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

What did you learn about him?

Mr. Senator.

I didn't learn anything about him. I knew he was selling these things, sporting goods, I guess, of various. natures. As a matter of fact, I heard him mention once that they had a plant or something like that in, I think, Bonham, Tex., or a plant or something out there too, which is maybe about 75 miles from Dallas, or an office there or a plant or something out there I know. I don't know what it is. Maybe it is a manufacturing plant they had there now. That was the only one time I saw him in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin.

You don't have any idea how Jack came to meet this fellow?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't.

Mr. Griffin.

I mentioned the name Alex Gruber.

Mr. Senator.

Who?

Mr. Griffin.

Alex Gruber.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

When you were going through the notebooks?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

And I believe you indicated you didn't recognize that name.

Mr. Senator.

Not the name; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me see if I can put this to you. Did you know of any friend Jack had in California who might have been at one time a truck driver?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't A truck driver?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

And do you remember anybody that Jack was going to send a dog to in California?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't. I have heard that mentioned before. I have heard it mentioned. I don't remember now if I read it in the •newspaper or from mouth to ear or what it was, but I have heard that, that he was going to send it to somebody in California. Who it was, I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

How about L. J. McWillie?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard of the name McWillie, but I don't know him. Is it McWillie?

Mr. Griffin.

M-c-W-I-1-l-I-e.

Mr. Senator.

All I know is the name McWillie.

Mr. Griffin.

What do you know about that name?

Mr. Senator.

I don't even know him. Never met him.

Mr. Griffin.

Where have you heard the name?

Mr. Senator.

I have heard Jack mention the name in the club. He was an