Mr. Griffin.

When did you first notice that he was changing; that there was some change?

Mr. Senator.

I saw him very few times, you know, previous to when I went away, but his change- -when I really noticed the change was after I came back down, the trial. I don't it deterioration or ask him anything that; anything but that.

Mr. Griffin.

This was in February?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

After the 18th of February?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. His voice was getting lower, and his head was hanging and this is the way it was all the way up until the period, even after know--I don't know how to describe the words; you call whatever runs through him; I don't know. I would never like that, you know. I never spoke about anything like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you notice a change----

Mr. Senator.

He had lost weight.

Mr. Griffin.

He had lost weight?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

You noticed a change in his voice and something about the way he carded his head?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Anything else?

Mr. Senator.

And he lost weight. Of course, he quoted the Bible to me.

Mr. Griffin.

Had he ever done that before?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

I mean to you; had he ever quoted from the Bible to you before?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't think so, that I can remember of.

Mr. Griffin.

What passages of the Bible was he quoting?

Mr. Senator.

He didn't. He didn't quote the passages, but he quoted that he was reading the Bible. He didn't quote any passages to me.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his manner of speech other than the deepness of his voice? Was there anything about the manner of his speech?

Mr. Senator.

What do you mean; the manner of his speech?

Mr. Griffin.

Coherence, his ability to carry through on a topic of conversation. Was he able to discuss topics as lucidly as he had discussed them previously to you?

Mr. Senator.

No. I'll tell you, it got so that there was a hesitation. The words were even silent. There was no speaking at James; just, you know, like, you know. In other words, you know, there is very little of him I could see. I was looking through this little glass. I couldn't touch him or nothing. In other words, instead of his wall being plaster, the thing was steel or iron, whatever it was; see what I mean?

Mr. Griffin.

So you and he would be separated?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, yes. I couldn't even touch him. It was impossible.

Mr. Griffin.

How much of him could you see? We are going to have to get this on the record. This is the problem.

Mr. Senator.

In other words, I am standing up here and I am looking through a glass about like this.

Mr. Griffin.

You are looking through a little glass door?

Mr. Senator.

And like this.

Mr. Griffin.

A little glass window?

Mr. Senator.

A window something like this.

Mr. Griffin.

Maybe 12 inches long and 8 inches high or something?

Mr. Senator.

Approximately. This is a guess.

Mr. Griffin.

At about eye level?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; it's eye level. And under it are these perforations that you have to talk to; holes. You know; perforated holes.

Mr. Griffin.

Perforations in a door of some sort?

Mr. Senator.

No door; no.

Mr. Griffin.

Just a wall?

Mr. Senator.

Just a wall.