Mr. Senator.

I doubt if I got more than 8 hours sleep.

Mr. Griffin.

Then I suggest to you that in all probability you got up on Sunday morning before 8 o'clock.

Mr. Senator.

I would say around 8. Now mind you I got home 11 o'clock; so I assume I got in bed maybe around 12. Now mind you it is not necessarily that you fall asleep right away. Look, there is many a night that I toss and turn for 4 or 5 hours and didn't fall asleep, which is rare, but it has happened.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have trouble sleeping that night?

Mr. Senator.

No; I mean when I went to sleep, when I fell asleep I slept well.

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Hubert.

Now let's see, I think we were at the point of Monday morning, and I should like you to tell us what happened on Monday beginning with the time you got up on Monday morning. I think you said you slept at Jim Martin's house.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do the next day?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I got up and I drove him to his office and I think from there I went

Mr. Hubert.

In your car?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I drove him down, and I dropped him off, and then I went and had coffee. I don't remember if it was around 9 Or something like that. He gets down about 9 in the morning.

Mr. Hubert.

Did anything happen at the coffee shop?

Mr. Senator.

No; nothing particular, no.

Mr. Hubert.

Did the people there talk about Ruby and your connection with him?

Mr. Senator.

Talk to me about him? No; they didn't say anything, but they knew you know. The people who knew me knew.

Mr. Hubert.

But nobody said anything to you?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

But the fact that you had been his roommate.

Mr. Senator.

No; it was pretty silent. It was pretty silent.

Mr. Hubert.

What happened the rest of the day? What did you do that day?

Mr. Senator.

I think I just roamed around in a fog that day, nothing in particular.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't attempt to do your normal business?

Mr. Senator.

No; I wasn't in any condition for business. I didn't feel that good.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't remember seeing anybody that day at all.

Mr. Senator.

I am certain--who I saw. I don't remember but I am certain that I seen people; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You mentioned that sometime you saw Howard and you don't know whether you saw Howard the night before.

Mr. Senator.

It is very possible that I may have seen Howard the next day. I may have seen him. Now where or when I don't know, you know.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you see him about? Can you tell us what the nature of the conversation was?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I heard that Howard was getting the case, the Jack Ruby case.

Mr. Hubert.

So you went to see him about what? Put it this way, did he call for you?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Or did you just decide to go and see him?

Mr. Senator.

No; he didn't call for me.

Mr. Hubert.

You went to see him?

Mr. Senator.

I saw him sometime during that day.

Mr. Hubert.

Will you tell us what it was about, what you talked about?

Mr. Senator.

I don't believe it was anything particular that we talked about except I heard that he was getting the Jack Ruby case.
I don't remember the particular conversation at all.