Mr. Senator.

I think I came down in my truck. No, I think I came down his car. I'm nor sure but I think I came down in his car.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you recall where you parked, whose car it was where You parked downtown?

Mr. Senator.

Either parked on Commerce or Main Street, one of the two. I'm not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Near Harwood or near Pearl, or were you right in front of the police station?

Mr. Senator.

No, no; we were down further, just to grab a parking space. I just don't remember how far down it was, but I would assume, I think we walked, I don't know, maybe two or three blocks to my knowledge, something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you come by the Western Union station?

Mr. Senator.

Going up with Mr. Martin?

Mr. Griffin.

Either way, either going downtown or walking back to the police station.

Mr. Senator.

I think we come up Commerce. I'm not sure.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me then be more direct about this. Do you have any recollection that day of seeing Jack Ruby's car downtown?

Mr. Senator.

No; that I have never seen, no.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't think I have anything more, Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Hubert.

Before I pass on to another aspect, I think there is one point that needs a bit of clarification. Mr. Griffin asked you whether or not you considered calling Ruby when you heard that Oswald had been shot, to convey the news to him as you conveyed it to your other friend, Mr. Martin. You said that you had not because you didn't know where he was; is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I knew he left the house, you know, before I did.

Mr. Hubert.

You have also testified that he had told you that he was going to take the dog to the club.

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore, you knew he was at the club or at least you had some indication?

Mr. Senator.

He could have been there. Now he told me he was going to the club.

Mr. Hubert.

And the club was Just about a block away?

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

So when you didn't get Mr. Martin, you didn't try Ruby at the club?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You knew the number of the club?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you any comment to make as to why you didn't call Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

No particular reason. I didn't think of it, because when he left the house he said he was going to take the dog to the club and most naturally I heard the conversation he was going to the Western Union, so who knew where his whereabouts would be.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, of course, you didn't know his whereabouts after you called Martin?

Mr. Senator.

That is right, there was no particular reason. It just happened to be that I thought of Jim Martin.

Mr. Hubert.

All I want to do is to give you an opportunity to state for the record why it was that you did not next think. of calling your friend and roommate whose approximate location you knew?

Mr. Senator.

It just didn't enter my mind, that is all. I Just didn't think about it. There was no particular reason why.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you this, Mr. Senator. Was it your practice to spend time socially with Jack Ruby other than when you saw him at the apartment? Did you and he do things together?

Mr. SENATOR. No; first of all I'm out most of the time. When I get up in the morning, I mean he is still sleeping when I got up, and I don't see him in the daytime. Maybe on rare occasions something will happen, but the overall picture, no.