Mr. Senator.

I called up Jim because I happened to know Jim and Jim was an attorney.

Mr. Griffin.

You thought about calling Jim before you knew who it was that had shot Lee Oswald?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you know at the time that you tried to call Martin that it was somebody associated with the Carousel Club that had done it?

Mr. Senator.

You mean Jack Ruby, my roommate?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes. Now, you say it was after you called Martin that, you learned that it was Jack Ruby who had shot Oswald, but you said as I understand it somewhere between the time you learned Oswald was shot and you learned Ruby had done it, you heard something about it being someone from the Carousel Club.

Mr. Senator.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Griffin.

You did not?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

So that at the time you called Mr. Martin, you had no idea who shot----

Mr. Senator.

I called him because it was local news. That is why I called Jim.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you think of calling anybody else?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you think of trying to get a hold of Jack Ruby to tell him about it?

Mr. Senator.

No; because Jack left home shortly before that.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have some idea where he was?

Mr. Senator.

No; none whatsoever.

Mr. Griffin.

Now, when you walled into the police station, I understand you to say that you were mobbed by members of the press? Did you say anything to those members of the press?

Mr. Senator.

Well, they ganged me so and everybody was throwing questions at me, and I don't even remember the things that I answered because they asked me so many things and so many people were mobbing me.

Mr. Griffin.

But you were answering their questions?

Mr. Senator.

I was answering some of them, whatever they were asking me.

Mr. Griffin.

How long would you say it was that you answered questions?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. Maybe about 5 minutes I guess before two policemen nabbed me.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember any of the questions they asked?

Mr. Senator.

No; God, they was throwing them left and right. I couldn't keep up with them. I just couldn't keep up with them, what they were tailing about. I was just in circles, you know. Now how can I answer these questions there.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see reports in the newspaper the next day or that evening about what you had said down at the police station?

Mr. Senator.

No; I didn't. I didn't see no papers that evening. As a matter of fact, I never even saw the run, I--still to this day--I've never seen the TV of the shooting. I have never seen that.

Mr. Griffin.

When you went out to Martin's house, did you have any fear for yourself?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you have any fear or thought that the police or someone might try to implicate you?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

When you describe yourself as being shaken up when you were at the police station--- -

Mr. Senator.

Something like this, I would say the normal person it would make him nervous. Here I have gone through a half a century already and I have never had any incidents in my life, and I would say the normal person would be shaken up.

Mr. Griffin.

I don't have any more. Wait a second. Let me ask this. When you came downtown with Mr. Martin, did you come down in his car or your car?