Mr. Griffin.

And you say you are out most of the time. with your business?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. Is this in connection with your business?

Mr. Griffin.

Do you have a set of calls that you make every day?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I make calls.

Mr. Griffin.

Regular customers that you call on?

Mr. Senator.

customers, Or at times probably get new ones.

Mr. Griffin.

Now on Saturdays or Sundays you do not work?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

With whom do you spend your time on Saturdays and Sundays normally?

Mr. Senator.

Nothing in general. Once in a while I would meet Jim downtown because Jim Martin comes downtown on a Saturday, like a lot of lawyers do. They come down about 10, 10:30, 11 o'clock and they check their mail or any messages come in, such as that. Incidentally Jim Martin's office is right across the street; of course, he Just moved recently. It was at the Davis Building which is across the street from the Adolphus Hotel on Main. He has been there for quite a number of years to my knowledge.

Mr. Griffin.

Who would you list as your friends in Dallas outside of Jim Martin and Jack Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

Well, the people I stayed with who were friends of mine.

Mr. Griffin.

Can you give us their names?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; Jean and Lindy have, a fellow by the name of Bill Downey, Tom Howard, the attorney. I don't say I associated with him but he is a friend of mine. Another lawyer by the name of Mike Barclay; he is a friend of mine. Not that these are complete associations that you are with them every day or so, or things of that nature.

Mr. Griffin.

But are there other people whom you see more often and you are closer to than Barclay and Howard?

Mr. Senator.

No; not particularly. Of Course, every now and then an out-of-town friend of mine would come in, a traveling man; if he happened to be in Dallas I would see him, or he may call me. In other words, I'll put it this way--I had a particular hangout.

Mr. Griffin.

Where was that?

Mr. Senator.

That was the Burgundy Room. I used to go there quite often.

Mr. Griffin.

That is in the Adolphus Hotel?

Mr. Senator.

That is in the lobby of the Adolphus Hotel. When I used to go in, you know, the latter part of the afternoon, around 5, used to always run across friends that you know and we would' always have a talk session or something of that nature there. Of course, I had many friends that came in there.

Mr. Griffin.

But you would say that you saw Barclay and Howard and Martin more often than you saw the other people?

Mr. Senator.

Martin more so than the others. But the others, I'd see them every now and then. Like the trial I'd seen them down at the courthouse and things of that nature.

Mr. Griffin.

Now what about the Lauves?

Mr. Senator.

The Lauves, those are people who I stayed with, who kept me up when I didn't have a place to stay.

Mr. Griffin.

But did you see them more often than you saw Howard and Barclay?

Mr. Senator.

I Stayed there every day. I was living there.

Mr. Griffin.

I mean prior to the shooting.

Mr. Senator.

Prior to that on rare occasions, on rare occasions. One time I used to see them quite often. Of course, that is when I was traveling.

Mr. Griffin.

But at the time that Jack Ruby s hot Lee Oswald, of all the people you have mentioned, Jim Martin was the person you felt the closest to?

Mr. Senator.

He was a close friend of mine. I used to see him almost every day, especially more so during the trial.

Mr. Griffin.

But what I am trying to get at is was there anybody else to whom you felt equally as close?.

Mr. Senator.

I had--let me put it this way--I had a lot of good friends.