Mr. Senator.

I don't remember which came first. Now I am guessing that the call came first. I am not sure. I can't relate to be sure right now.

Mr. Hubert.

As to the sequence of those two events, we now know what your recollection is, and that is that it could have been before or it could have been after.

Mr. Senator.

I just don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any event, he certainly dressed after he got the call, is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

And after breakfast.

Mr. Hubert.

And after breakfast?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then after he dressed he paced about some?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, at least we have the sequence of events so far as we are able to put them together.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

We also know, you see, Mr. Senator, that as to one sequence, you don't know. I am not critical of you because you don't know, but we weren't aware that you didn't know until right now.

Mr. Senator.

As I say, I mean when you take these four incidents and try to, you know, try to jam them all into this short span of hours, I just can't break it down and be right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now let's get to this. Was Jack normally a fast dresser or would you care to estimate whether it took him----

Mr. Senator.

No; Jack was never a fast dresser or never a fast washer. He took his time. In other words, if I wanted to compare us, I could dress five times as fast as he could or shave or anything else that much quicker than he could.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say that normally it took him a half hour to get dressed and shaved?

Mr. Senator.

A half hour to get dressed and shaved? I would probably assume it would take something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

And do you think it took him that long on this morning?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if it took him that long.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any case he did dress and you would think that that took him a half an hour?

Mr. Senator.

I would only have to guess. I can't say.

Mr. Hubert.

Normally it would have?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't assume the time.

Mr. Hubert.

Normally it would take him a half hour?

Mr. Senator.

I would so surmise that it would.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did this pacing go on after he got dressed? It may have been a matter of only a couple of minutes, but if it was more than that, I think you would know it. I think if it was a half hour you would know it.

Mr. Senator.

I would say that he paced back and forth 5 or 10 minutes. I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. Was it at that point that he left?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say anything upon leaving?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he say?

Mr. Senator.

He said, "George, I am taking the dog down to the club."

Mr. Hubert.

Anything else?

Mr. Senator.

That was it, and out he went.

Mr. Hubert.

He was fully dressed?

Mr. Senator.

He was fully dressed.

Mr. Hubert.

Could you describe how he was dressed?

Mr. Senator.

Well, he wore a hat, wore a suit and a shirt and tie.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say, when he was coming back?

Mr. Senator.

No; that is the only words he said when he walked out.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you hear him speak to Elnora Pitts on Sunday morning over the telephone?