Mr. Hubert.

Did the call come while he was in the bathroom?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

After he left the bathroom he went to fix breakfast as I understand it.

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if the call came in before or after he went to the bathroom. It was one of the two. I don't know which. As I say, I would have to twist it.

Mr. Hubert.

I don't want you to twist it or to guess.

Mr. Senator.

I have to guess. I have got to guess.

Mr. Hubert.

You have got to give your best estimation.

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. If I don't know I can't answer it because I have got to guess on this. You put me to guesswork.

Mr. Hubert.

No; we don't want to have you guess. We want your best estimation of the passage of time. If you don't know, we certainly don't want you to guess. But you were there and we weren't. Therefore, we would like to know if you know. We don't want you to guess.

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. I don't know the times.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me give you another approach to assist you on this. You said that you might have awakened anywhere from 8 to 9 yourself, is that correct?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think that it was as long as I hour after you awoke that the call came from Little Lynn?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think so. You know this is very complicated when you try to make a timepiece out of this. It really is. I mean especially if you are not watching the time and don't know the time. It is just a complicated thing trying to place a time together.

Mr. Hubert.

That is true, but on the other hand when we have a fixed time, sometimes we can relate events to that time in terms of hours and haft hours and so forth. That is what I am asking you to do now.

Mr. Senator.

You see when you are relating all three there, in the relation of all three here from the time I got up to the time Jack got up to the time he had his breakfast, from the time that Little Lynn called I would be jamming all these things into maybe a half hour to an hour in differences, and they would all almost clog together because I would have to guess at all these, because, mind you, this wasn't a great expanse of hours. This is why I say I will be guessing and have to be wrong. Mind you from the time that I wake up at 8 o'clock in the morning, supposedly around 8 or maybe it was 8:30 or 9, I have to have the answers, supposed to have the answers for what time I woke up, what time Jack got up, Little Lynn in the short span of hours, and it is hard to break these things down and be accurate.

Mr. Hubert.

We understand that, and the purpose is to find out if it is possible to know, and if your answer to us is that you can't tell us, we don't want you to guess.

Mr. Senator.

I can't tell you. The reason it is hard to tell you, because I would have to guess at all these and I have no hours. It was such a short span of hours, I would probably assume this whole thing would consummate maybe in what, approximately 2 hours, whatever it may be, maybe 2 ½ hours, I don't know. Now, you know you have got to jam hours in for these three things to fit, and I can't jam them together to make them fit.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's see if we can't fix sequence of events instead of trying to fix hours. You got up first.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And Jack got up next.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then another fixed event is the time that he went to the toilet. That came next, didn't it? He went to the bathroom?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Then he fixed himself some breakfast.

Mr. Senator.

Now you have asked me if he fixed breakfast first or the telephone call, I mean her call.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.