Mr. Senator.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know who Elnora Pitts is?

Mr. Senator.

It is a colored maid. No; I have heard that incident before, but I don't remember this at all. I just don't remember if he did or not. I can't, in other words, I can't refresh my mind whatsoever that Elnora called. Now, I could be wrong on this, but my mind is not fresh for that long.

Mr. Hubert.

Would it have been possible that you were in a part of the house or outside the house maybe?

Mr. Senator.

No; I wasn't out.

Mr. Hubert.

You never left the house?

Mr. Senator.

I was in my shorts all the while, unless I--no, I don't even know. Maybe I could have been in the bathroom. I am not even sure.

Mr. Hubert.

But in any case you have no recollection of Elnora calling?

Mr. Senator.

I do not remember at all.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it her custom to call when she was coming out there?

Mr. Senator.

I think he--I don't know, but I know that he has driven by to tell her to come up and clean the apartment sometimes or something of that nature. Now, I know he did that one time, but I don't know if it is his custom to have her call or not. Maybe it had been, maybe it hadn't been. I don't know on that.

Mr. Hubert.

I know I am asking you for another estimate, but I would like to know what your view of it is. That is how long after Karen Bennett called did Jack leave the house?

Mr. Senator.

Who? Oh, Little Lynn?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Well, Jack was still in his shorts then when she called.

Mr. Hubert.

Yes?

Mr. Senator.

This I do remember.

Mr. Hubert.

He had to dress?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

But you are not sure whether he had fixed breakfast or not?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know which came first, if she called or he fixed breakfast first.

Mr. Hubert.

Leaving those aside, all I was asking was whether or not you could give us an estimate of the time from when Little Lynn called until he told you "I am leaving and I am going out and take this dog to the club." Have you any idea at all? If you don't, tell us.

Mr. Senator.

Wait, wait, what time she called?

Mr. Hubert.

No; the time interval between when she called and when he left.

Mr. Senator.

I will make a wild guess. I would say it was at least three quarters, it must have been about three quarters of an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

On what do you base it?

Mr. Senator.

I am just guessing. I can't base it on anything. I am only guessing.

Mr. Hubert.

Is it quite guessing? You knew he had to dress.

Mr. Senator.

Sure you have got to dress.

Mr. Hubert.

So that took up some time.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; had to wash.

Mr. Hubert.

And you also say that he paced up and down for some little interval of time.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So when you characterize it as a wild guess----

Mr. Senator.

I have got to guess.

Mr. Hubert.

I wonder if it is a guess so much as it is a putting together of these little segments of time and estimating what each would take.

Mr. Senator.

I am saying I would have to guess. I would have to guess this.

Mr. Hubert.

When you said. three quarters of an hour, wasn't it really result of your thinking of how much time would be occupied to do these segments of activity such as dressing and pacing up and down and so forth,