Mr. Hubert.

You remember the call?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you answer the phone?

Mr. Senator.

No; he had already been up.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you know it was Little Lynn?

Mr. Senator.

I could hear him say. I heard him say Lynn, Western Union. I heard him mention Western Union. I heard about the money and that he was sending it to Fort Worth. She needed $25 for rent.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you that?

Mr. Senator.

I heard him mention $25 over the phone.

Mr. Hubert.

How did he mention it, that he would send $25?

Mr. Senator.

He would send $25 to her by Western Union.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he mention that it was for rent?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he told me after it was for rent.

Mr. Hubert.

He told you?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't hear Little Lynn ask for it?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't hear it.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course not.

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Therefore he must have told you.

Mr. Senator.

He said she called, and, of course, I knew it was Lynn because I knew----

Mr. Hubert.

You knew who she was?

Mr. Senator.

Sure.

Mr. Hubert.

But after he hung up, he told you that she needed $25 for rent?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he mention that she had called the night before?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not know that at the time?

Mr. Senator.

If she did I don't know. This I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what time that call was?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. It could have been anywheres between 9:30, I am not sure, maybe 10. I am not sure what time it was. See now----

Mr. Hubert.

Let's get at it this way.

Mr. Senator.

Now you are placing me from the time I woke up to the time Jack woke up, but I say with all these things I still have to guess the times.

Mr. Hubert.

That is why I am going to put it to you this way. The time of the call is known, and that is why I would like you to relate events backwards from that time, you see.

Mr. Senator.

I know that I was off on the time because------

Mr. Hubert.

No; I am not trying to get you off. I am trying to get the facts, so let's approach it this way. How long before the Little Lynn call would you estimate it was that Jack woke up?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't estimate the time, but I don't think he was up too long.

Mr. Hubert.

You say he had gone to the bathroom and that he had cooked his breakfast and that he had gotten dressed?

Mr. Senator.

No; he wasn't dressed at the time Little Lynn called.

Mr. Hubert.

He was not dressed at the time?

Mr. Senator.

No; he was still in his shorts. I think he was still in his shorts.

Mr. Hubert.

If you could help us on this it would be valuable for us to know about how long prior to the Little Lynn call did Jack actually get up. If you want to break that into segments as to how long it was before he started breakfast, and so forth, well, do that too. It may be helpful to you and it would be to us. I can help you if you want along these lines. Did the Little Lynn call come after he had finished his breakfast?

Mr. Senator.

No; I think that call came in before he had breakfast. I think it did. I think it was before breakfast. I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

He answered the phone as I understand it?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

When he got up he went to the bathroom?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.