Mr. Hubert.

Do you know what time he came in?

Mr. Senator.

No; because I wasn't awake.

Mr. Hubert.

The next time you saw him?

Mr. Senator.

Was Sunday morning.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you awaken on Sunday morning?

Mr. Senator.

Sunday morning I assume it was somewhere around between 8 or 9, somewheres in that time. Just something in that time.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you any way to fix it at all?

Mr. Senator.

No; you see, when I was on the witness stand with Mr. Bill Alexander, now he tried to make me pinpoint it right down to the minute. It is highly impossible. If you are not watching a clock and don't have one, how can you pinpoint these things? How can you really do it? How is it possible? How can you pinpoint time when you are not watching it?

Mr. Hubert.

In any case what you are saying, your best estimate is that it was----

Mr. Senator.

I have to estimate it. Now, as I say when I estimate it, I can be 15 minutes, a half hour or maybe an hour off on time.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you told us earlier that when you went to bed as early as 11 o'clock you usually woke up quite early.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; this is why I say I probably woke up maybe around 8 or 9 that morning.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Ruby---

Mr. Senator.

Of course, I read in bed, you know. I read in bed.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Ruby there when you woke up, or not?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he was sleeping.

Mr. Hubert.

When did he waken?

Mr. Senator.

Ruby must have woke up I assume it probably would have been maybe--of course, I have to guess again--I would assume somewheres around between 9 and 9:30.

Mr. Hubert.

Why don't we put it in terms of how much after you did Ruby wake up. In other words, no matter what time you awoke, can you tell us how long after he awakened?

Mr. Senator.

It could be maybe three-quarters of an hour or an hour. I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

What is your first distinct recollection of him that morning?

Mr. Senator.

Well, the moment he got up he went to the bathroom, which is normal for him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you speak to him then?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I did. Of course, we turned on the TV. He had the TV going. He turned it on to see what the latest news was. Then he went to the bathroom. Of course, then he washed, and he went in and made his own breakfast. I only had coffee. He made himself a couple of scrambled eggs and coffee for himself, and he still had this look which didn't look good.

Mr. Hubert.

Again I want to ask you, can you give us a comparison between the look that he had that morning, which you just described, as opposed to what it was on other occasions in the sense of whether it was growing worse or not?

Mr. Senator.

He looked a little worse this day here. But if you ask me how to break it down, how he looks worse, how can I express it? The look in his eyes?

Mr. Hubert.

Well, is that one of the things?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; that is the way it seems.

Mr. Hubert.

The way he talked or what he said?

Mr. Senator.

The way he talked. He was even mumbling, which I didn't understand. And right after breakfast he got dressed. Then after he got dressed he was pacing the floor from the living room to the bedroom, from the bedroom to the living room, and his lips were going. What he was jabbering I don't know. But he was really pacing. What he was thinking about----

Mr. Hubert.

That was after he was dressed?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; now, what he was thinking about, I don't know what he was thinking about. But he did, which I forgot to tell you, he did get that call from this Little Lynn from Western Union.