Mr. Griffin.

Or with anybody else who had seen Jack?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Before you were questioned?

Mr. Senator.

No. I'll tell you why. When I got out, when I got through with this whole thing that night, it was already dark outside, and I for one had never seen the shooting on TV, and I still have never seen it to this day, the shooting on TV, and I never saw the runs because they had me there that late. I don't remember what time I got out that night, but I assume it was dark. It may have been around 7 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

So between the time you left Jack Ruby back at the apartment on Sunday, and the time that the police first started to question you later on Sunday afternoon, you didn't see Jack Ruby in that interval?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

At least to talk to?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Eva Grant?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you see Tom Howard?

Mr. Senator.

Tom Howard?

Mr. Hubert.

Let's take a little recess at this point.
(Short recess.)

Mr. Hubert.

We will convene again after recess, with the same conditions and same understanding about the oath and so on.
Now I think you said you came back home at 7:30 on Saturday night and you had bought some groceries and Ruby was not there.

Mr. Senator.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

You fixed yourself something to eat, and I believe you said that you left.

Mr. Senator.

No; first of all I was thinking that he might show up while I was----

Mr. Hubert.

You fixed enough I think you said for two people.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he come home before you left?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you leave?

Mr. Senator.

I left about maybe around 8, 8:30. As I say, I got to----

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have any phone calls prior to your leaving?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have any?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go?

Mr. Senator.

From there I went downtown. I think I went to the Burgundy Room, if I am not mistaken, that night.

Mr. Hubert.

That is in the Adolphus Hotel?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; and I met a friend of mine there, and we were feeling low. I was feeling low.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the name of the friend?

Mr. Senator.

Bill Downey.

Mr. Hubert.

What is his occupation?

Mr. Senator.

He is a traveling salesman who sells musical equipment and all the other stuff that goes with it.

Mr. Hubert.

All right.

Mr. Senator.

Let's see now, and Mike Barclay. He is an attorney.

Mr. Hubert.

The three of you were together?

Mr. Senator.

Went out.

Mr. Hubert.

The three of you were together you say?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. We went out to a bar and we had a beer or two, everybody was low down and got disgusted, and they all wanted to go home including myself.

Mr. Hubert.

So you all did so?

Mr. Senator.

So we all went home, and I think I got home about 10:30.