Mr. Senator.

Yes; that is the nature of this place.

Mr. Griffin.

His brother Sam, wasn't he in the laundry business?

Mr. Senator.

Sam fixes those machines. I think Sam was employed by somebody. I don't know who he was employed by, but he fixes these washers.

Mr. Griffin.

But he doesn't have washaterias?

Mr. Senator.

Not to my knowledge; no. I think he is an employee.

Mr. Griffin.

This area that you are describing, is that in the general Oak Cliff area that you people lived in?

Mr. Senator.

No, no. This is in town.

Mr. Griffin.

Downtown?

Mr. Senator.

Not downtown but you have to go through downtown to go uptown.

Mr. Griffin.

What section would you call this section?

Mr. Senator.

That area would be I would say sort of north--northwest part of town I think.

Mr. Hubert.

While you are on the laundry subject, wasn't there some equipment in the basement of the building you were in?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I said I did mine but he don't do his.

Mr. Hubert.

When you came home, as I understand it, it was about 7:30, and you fixed a meal for yourself. Before I pass for the moment from this period on Saturday afternoon, let me ask you this. You were interviewed I think by the FBI and by Elmer Moore of the Secret Service very shortly after these events, by the FBI, I believe, on Sunday the 24th?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. No; first the police had me, the local had me.

Mr. Hubert.

The local police?

Mr. Senator.

Then from the local they put me into the FBI.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they question you at that time as to your activities during this period of 6 hours on Saturday afternoon between roughly 12 and 6 or 12:30 and 6:30?

Mr. Senator.

No; they questioned me, I believe they questioned me from Friday.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell them at that time that you had no recollection of what you had done during this 6-hour period?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember what I told them. I don't know if I was asked that, if I can remember right. I believe the questions they asked me, if I remember right, is when was the next time I saw Jack that day, if I remember right, that when I left, what time did I leave that Saturday, and I believe when was the next time I saw him, if I am not mistaken, if that is the way it ran.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you give the police a written statement?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

You signed a written statement for the police?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; they made me sign a written statement.

Mr. Griffin.

Do you remember what time it was that the police questioned you on Sunday?

Mr. Senator.

No; I'll tell you why I don't remember. When they grabbed me, they took me and shoved me into some little room all by myself, and I don't wear a watch because I am allergic to watchbands. I can't wear a watch. And I don't know how long I was in this little room.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that in the evening or the afternoon on Sunday?

Mr. Senator.

That was the afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

And had you talked with Jack Ruby up to that time, between the time of the shooting and the time that you were questioned by the police?

Mr. Senator.

The last time that I saw Jack Ruby is when he left Sunday morning. That is the last time.

Mr. Griffin.

And you didn't see him again on Sunday?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, I saw him when they waltzed me by. When the police got through with me they waltzed me by to the FBI, that is when I saw him through a glass.

Mr. Griffin.

But never talked to him?

Mr. Senator.

No; couldn't get near him.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you talk with his sister or with----

Mr. Senator.

That day?