Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go?

Mr. Senator.

This is what I am trying to think, where did I go. I don't remember if I called my lawyer friend or met my lawyer friend or not that day.

Mr. Hubert.

Who is your lawyer friend?

Mr. Senator.

I have got--Jim Martin. I don't remember if I called him. Once in a while I'd have a beer with him.

Mr. Hubert.

But you don't know whether you had a beer with him, I suppose?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember. I just don't remember the routine of the day. There was nothing that I did in general.

Mr. Hubert.

You did go to some grocery store to pick up the groceries?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember which one that was?

Mr. Senator.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember which grocery store it was?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I think I went to Safeway.

Mr. Hubert.

Safeway?

Mr. Senator.

Safeway.

Mr. Hubert.

On what street?

Mr. Senator.

That is on Jefferson.

Mr. Hubert.

Well now, does the recollection of that fact, which must have been what you did almost immediately before going home--let me put it this way. Was your trip to Safeway to pick up the groceries the thing that you did immediately before you went home?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So it would be safe to say, wouldn't it, that you went to Safeway around a half hour to an hour before you went home?

Mr. Senator.

I probably had gone maybe around 6:30 or 7, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Does that help to refresh your memory as to where you had been just before you went to the grocery?

Mr. Senator.

Is it possible to forget?

Mr. Hubert.

Why yes, of course, it is.

Mr. Senator.

Mind you this is 5 months.

Mr. Hubert.

But it is my duty to explore the possibilities.

Mr. Senator.

I know that. If I could think and help you out I would be happy to, if I knew. I just can't place, place to place, where I have been. I may have been out having a beer or I may have been out chewing the fat with some friend of mine. I just don't remember what I was doing that day.

Mr. Hubert.

It may be that if you think about it a bit more you can help us a little later on.

Mr. Senator.

I could if I wanted to, I could have made up a fictitious story to you and say that I sat in the bar for 3 hours or I was out with some girl or something like that. He is writing all this down. But I am telling you the truth.

Mr. Hubert.

I don't want you to tell us something that is fictitious. If it is a fact that you do not remember, then that is the fact and that is all we want to know. I think that sometimes one's memory is refreshed, as it were, by events. If you can't remember it now, we will come back to it a little later and see if you can recollect what happened in this period of about 6 hours on that Saturday afternoon.

Mr. Griffin.

Mr. Hubert, unless you want to pursue this further, let me ask him a question.

Mr. Hubert.

All right, go ahead.

Mr. Griffin.

You indicated that you might have visited with Jim Martin. Is this someone that you see regularly?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. Jim is an attorney down in Dallas, a very good friend of mine, who on occasions I will have a beer with. Now, possibly I may have had it and I just don't remember. I go to see him often, or I meet him.

Mr. Griffin.

Is Jim single?

Mr. Senator.

Pardon me?

Mr. Griffin.

Is he a married man?