Mr. Hubert.

Certainly, he didn't leave the house from the time he got up until you left.

Mr. Senator.

No; I left first.

Mr. Hubert.

That is correct.

Mr. Senator.

Now, what time he left I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

But he didn't leave the house from the time you got up until the time you left?

Mr. Senator.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, perhaps we can fix the time when you left a little better by going on and seeing where you went. I ask you where you went?

Mr. Senator.

Saturday where did I go? Saturday I think I stopped down, I think my first stop was down at the coffee shop. I think I went down for coffee, and my whereabouts, I don't even know where I went that day because I don't work on Saturdays. I guess I probably just as well stood around. just where I went, I remember where I went Saturday evening, but I don't remember where I went Saturday afternoon. Just no particular place or anything unusual.

Mr. Hubert.

You do recall that your first stop in any case was the coffeeshop?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Which one was that?

Mr. Senator.

I think it was Eatwell Coffee Shop that I went to.

Mr. Hubert.

You had sort of breakfast and coffee?

Mr. Senator.

Coffee and. Maybe coffee and a doughnut or coffee and a bun or something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

You were driving the Volkswagen?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You were not on business?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

And you say you have a distinct recollection of some event that night?

Mr. Senator.

Of where I was?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Oh yes; because when I came home that night, I think it was around somewheres between 7 and 7:30, I think I come home that night, and I come home with some groceries that I wanted to make. So I made some groceries and----

Mr. Hubert.

Was Jack home at that time?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he was gone.

Mr. Hubert.

He was not there?

Mr. Senator.

No; he wasn't there.

Mr. Hubert.

That was about 7:30?

Mr. Senator.

I would say I think it was around 7:30. So I made the groceries and then I left some for him, and I ate and I was assuming that maybe he would be home by the time I was making the groceries. But he wasn't home, so after I ate I went out again.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been drinking that afternoon?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember. Possibly I may have had a beer or two. I just don't remember. I am not a heavy drinker. I am not a drunkard, mind you.

Mr. Hubert.

No; I didn't mean to infer that at all, but I was wondering why, it was that you couldn't give us any indication of where you went, whether it was one or several places between noon or 12:30 until 7:30 that night. I think you can remember some of the things, some of the places.

Mr. Senator.

Well, let me see.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't come home until 7:30?

Mr. Senator.

No. I was out.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you follow any usual Saturday afternoon routine?

Mr. Senator.

No. There is nothing. There is no routine. Saturday, there is no routine.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't call on any customers?

Mr. Senator.

No; nothing. Just out, that is all.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you riding around for 7 ½ hours?