Mr. Hubert.

what you are telling us now is a recollection of the reconstruction of this whole period, or is it now a distinct recollection independent of any reconstruction that you made in telling the story to anybody else. Do you remember now, today, that on that Saturday morning you had the feeling that man is getting worse on this subject?

Mr. Senator.

That is the way he appeared to me.

Mr. Hubert.

And you remember that now, that that thought turned over in your mind on Saturday morning.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it alarm you in any way?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know how to describe myself with it, but I know it didn't look good.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your fear?

Mr. Senator.

I wasn't fearing anything. I just didn't like the way he looked.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say it didn't look good, in what way do you mean?

Mr. Senator.

It didn't look like the normal look as I have known him.

Mr. Hubert.

Was your concern, if not your fear, that he might go off his normal method of thinking or that he would do himself harm? I mean were you concerned or was it just simply an observation which you passed on?

Mr. Senator.

I am observing all this. You know I can tell. But I didn't know what to think. I didn't know how to think.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have already said that you didn't have any fears of anything.

Mr. Senator.

No; I wasn't afraid of him.

Mr. Hubert.

No; but I mean were you concerned that something might happen to him, that he might do something?

Mr. Senator.

No; not particularly; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you think that---

Mr. Senator.

The thing is I never asked him the thoughts within him or what he was thinking about.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it occur to you that maybe somebody ought to talk to him about it, that his grief was going to the point, or his condition of being upset was going to the point that somebody ought to talk to him about it?

Mr. Senator.

I know he visited his sister, and. of course, both were in grief together, and I don't know if he contacted his rabbi or not.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned a little while ago that he told you he had been to the----

Mr. Senator.

To the synagogue.

Mr. Hubert.

To the synagogue?

Mr. Senator.

If he talked to the rabbi, I don't know. Now, I know that he went to the synagogue that Friday night to pray for the President. Now, if he had personal contact with the rabbi I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether he went to the synagogue on Saturday?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. I really don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

You left him at the house when you left?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you left at approximately 12:30?

Mr. Senator.

I would say something around that nature.

Mr. Hubert.

He would certainly not have gone to the rabbi then, to the synagogue, on Saturday morning.

Mr. Senator.

I don't know. I mean I couldn't answer that. I wouldn't know.

Mr. Hubert.

Maybe you can, or at least you can give us some facts. He was asleep when you awoke at 10:30, isn't that right?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; but he was up. He was up when I left.

Mr. Hubert.

And you left at 12:30?

Mr. Senator.

I am only assuming within an hour.

Mr. Hubert.

So it could have between 11:00.

Mr. Senator.

11:30, 12, 12:30. I can't say because actually, you know, when this period is going on, I am not watching clocks. I don't own one. I can't go by a timetable because I didn't have the time.