Mr. Hubert.

morning, that is his agitation over the poster and his agitation over the advertisement seemed to have passed away?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if it did or not.

Mr. Hubert.

But he didn't comment on it?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember him commenting on it.

Mr. Hubert.

And his attitude at least was different in that regard than what it was the night before?

Mr. Senator.

What he thought I still don't know about that.

Mr. Hubert.

You have given us a description of what his reaction was to the poster and to the ad.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; now what happened----

Mr. Hubert.

That Friday night. All I am trying to do is get a comparison of his attitude in those areas between the two times. Do you see what I mean? I gather from what you tell me, let me see if I can rephrase it, that on Saturday morning the stress, if it could be called that, or the most important aspect of his reaction that you observed was his feeling of sorrow as to the President's family.

Mr. Senator.

Saturday morning?

Mr. Hubert.

Saturday morning.

Mr. Senator.

Yes; which was working on him pretty good.

Mr. Hubert.

Now you say that it was working on him pretty good, and that is a mental impression that must have been created by the happening of events or by statements being made. How was it working on him pretty good? What did he say or do to convey to you that it was working on him pretty good?

Mr. Senator.

He kept on repeating these things, numerous times he repeated that.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that extraordinary for him?

Mr. Senator.

I would think it would be. To me it would be.

Mr. Hubert.

And what else was he doing that indicated to you----

Mr. Senator.

And I had seen him cry, because I guess who hasn't you know.

Mr. Hubert.

And what else?

Mr. Senator.

And I had seen him cry, and he just got that funny look in his eyes. I don't know how to describe it. You call it a far-away look or a look of something. I don't now how to tear it down. But it wasn't a natural look.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have that impression that morning or have you reconstructed all this in your mind after all the events had happened?

Mr. Senator.

About his looks?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No; you could see it. After all, I have been around him enough to know the difference.

Mr. Hubert.

You noticed the difference. And, of course, he shot Oswald.

Mr. Senator.

What?

Mr. Hubert.

You noticed this difference, and you now have a recollection of noticing that difference about the events of the next day; is that right?
Let me show you what I mean. I want you to try to remember whether you had a distinct impression, which you now recollect, on Saturday about his worsening condition. Do you have that recollection now, Mr. Senator?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I could tell by facial expressions, facial look.

Mr. Hubert.

What I am getting at is whether or not in thinking over this thing as you must have done, of course, that you reconstructed all of this, and that your recollection is of the reconstruction rather than of the fact itself. Do you understand what I mean?

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't know what you mean when you ask me if I am reconstructing it.

Mr. Hubert.

What I mean is this. When after all this whole thing came to a climax with the shooting of Oswald by Ruby, you must have put all of your thoughts together concerning those last days, and as a matter of fact you have been questioned a number of times by a number of people.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Including Government agents?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And including his lawyer. What I want to know is whether