Mr. Senator.

that happened, where they should be having entertainment, dancing, and drinking. He didn't think it was the right thing to do at this time.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate to you that he thought it would hurt them if they did not close also?

Mr. Senator.

That it would hurt their business?

Mr. Hubert.

The other business, his competitors?

Mr. Senator.

Well, I don't know about that, but I assumed, of course, I am assuming only what I think, that I believe a lot of stores also closed that day. I think Neuman Marcus closed. I believe in that downtown area there was quite a few stores that did close.

Mr. Hubert.

Did it come to your attention that he was attempting to keep his competitors from knowing that he proposed to close?

Mr. Senator.

How could he when he ran an ad?

Mr. Hubert.

I mean for the Friday night.

Mr. Senator.

To keep them from knowing?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever indicate to you----

Mr. Senator.

As a matter of fact, I would think he would want them to close.

Mr. Hubert.

Why?

Mr. Senator.

And I assumed that the way he put that ad in there. He thought everybody should observe something, such as what happened.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you aware that he had told Larry Crafard not to put a little sign that was posted in front of the Carousel, not to tack it up announcing the closing of the Carousel until after the time for the opening of the other competitors?

Mr. Senator.

No; because I never saw him that day.

Mr. Hubert.

But he didn't indicate to you as a matter of fact that he would like to see them open while he was closed?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

In grief over the President?

Mr. Senator.

I was sort of inclined with my own thoughts in mind that he would probably want to see them closed. This was my own thought of mind.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack give you any of his reflections on how this tragedy of the death of the President would affect the community of Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

No; not that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

I am talking about either Friday night or Saturday or at any other time.

Mr. Senator.

You are referring to the individuals in the city of Dallas, right, the people of the city of Dallas?

Mr. Hubert.

The business principally.

Mr. Senator.

No; I don't think so.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you recall his making any comment to the effect that this tragedy would hurt the convention business of Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

If he said it I just don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he make any comment to you that you recall or heard to the effect that the tragedy and the hurting of the convention business would hurt his own Carousel and Vegas business?

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

He did not comment upon that at all?

Mr. Senator.

If he did, I just don't remember. I really don't.

Mr. Hubert.

What was his general condition on Saturday morning during the hour or 2 hours that you had occasion to observe him as opposed to the condition that you have already described on Friday night?

Mr. Senator.

He still had that hurt feeling within him of what happened, and apparently this had never left his mind.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he talk about the poster and the pictures he had obtained of it, or the Bernard Weissman ad?

Mr. Senator.

He was now referring to the tragedy of the President, and of the family, what would happen to the family.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, on Saturday morning the events of earlier that