Mr. Senator.

but I don't think I could take it in his, or he might be able to take it just partially a little bit, but I don't think it would extend that far.

Mr. Hubert.

If the phone machine was in the living room where it normally was, you would be closer to it, right, than he would?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I take it you did not hear a phone call for him that morning?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you ever had occasion where the ringing of the phone wakened you?

Mr. Senator.

I would have to say "No" on that because I am always up before he is.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us whether or not if Jack had received a phone call about 8:30 Saturday morning you would have heard it and it would have wakened you?

Mr. Senator.

If he did I just don't recollect. I wouldn't say he did or didn't have one because I just don't remember if he did have one.

Mr. Hubert.

You don't remember if he had one?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

That I understand. But what I am asking you is whether or not the ringing of that phone in the position it was as you have explained it that is closer to you than to him, would have awakened you.

Mr. Senator.

Oh sure, sure. I could have heard it.

Mr. Hubert.

Are you willing to go so far as to state that since it did not awaken you, that there was no phone call?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't quote because I don't know if there was a phone call.

Mr. Hubert.

That is not what I asked you. I am asking you whether you are willing to state that if there had been a phone call, it would have awakened you?

Mr. Senator.

I would assume so.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me go back a bit here. Up until the time you went to bed early Saturday morning, had Jack told you what he had done since the President was shot?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; I know of some of them. I know that he went to the synagogue.

Mr. Griffin.

Let me ask you did he tell you that night? I am not asking you what you know now, but before you went to bed Saturday morning had Jack told you what he had done that night, rather what he had done since the President had been shot?

Mr. Senator.

I think he went to the wait, I don't remember if he told me that night or it was the next day. This is the thing I don't remember.

Mr. Griffin.

That is what I am trying to get at is whether you have any recollection.

Mr. Senator.

I don't remember, but I do know that he had told me that he went to a synagogue and that he brought sandwiches around to the police station, these are things I knew that he did. But I don't remember if he told me that night or the next morning. I don't remember which time it was.

Mr. Griffin.

When you got up the next morning?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was Jack up?

Mr. Senator.

No; he was sleeping.

Mr. Griffin.

And did you see Jack before you left the house Saturday morning?

Mr. Senator.

Oh yes. He was still home when I left.

Mr. Griffin.

Was he awake?

Mr. Senator.

Oh sure.

Mr. Griffin.

So you talked with him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That is where I had left off.

Mr. Griffin.

That is right. That is why I stopped.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you said as a matter of fact here that the process of