Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

That was covered.

Mr. Senator.

You see, when I have to jump 5 months back, it is hard to remember little things. It is not holding back. It is hard to remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you all go then?

Mr. Senator.

From there he dropped Larry off, and Larry went back up and went to bed up at the club. Then we went home.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there any further discussion at all between you and Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

Let's see; I think we put on the TV for awhile that morning.

Mr. Hubert.

It was about what time of the morning when you got back?

Mr. Senator.

I would say somewhere between 5 and 6. Of course, I am guessing the time.

Mr. Hubert.

It was still dark, wasn't it?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, but I think it was sort of a break already; you know, sort of lighting up a little bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Go on.

Mr. Senator.

And if I remember right, I think it was a rerun of the episodes of the day, if I remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to bed before Jack?

Mr. Senator.

You mean when we came back to the apartment?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

The same time. We went at the same time.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, you all looked at TV for a period. How long a period?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know; maybe 10 or 15 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you all went to bed?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You went to sleep?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know whether he did or not?

Mr. Senator.

Well, he went to bed. I assumed----

Mr. Hubert.

You were in a different room from him?

Mr. Senator.

Yes. I assumed he did, because when I woke up he was still asleep; you know, later on.

Mr. Hubert.

What time was that?

Mr. Senator.

I would say I must have woke up around, I don't know, 10 o'clock, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

That is Saturday morning?

Mr. Senator.

Saturday morning. I would say something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

He was still asleep?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; he was still asleep, but through the normal shuffling, you know, going to the bathroom and such and such, it woke him up.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was the telephone in that apartment?

Mr. Senator.

In the living room, but it had a long wire.

Mr. Hubert.

But the ringing sound frome from the actual machine itself? The ring would be where the phone was located?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where was the phone located that night, do you know, in the living room?

Mr. Senator.

I think it was in the living room.

Mr. Hubert.

How far from your bedroom was it?

Mr. Senator.

I couldn't----

Mr. Hubert.

As close as his?

Mr. Senator.

Let me tell you. In the living room, of course, he had one of these extension wires that would probably run, what, 13 feet or something like that, 12 feet I don't know what the extension is, but where it was at that moment I don't know. I assumed that it was on the table. I just don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Would he nomally take it in his room?

Mr. Senator.

I don't think he could get it all the way in his room. You see, he had the far bedroom and my bedroom was closer. I could take it in mine,