Mr. Senator.

Apparently the man, which I never saw, apparently he must have done something wrong. I don't know what it was.

Mr. Griffin.

But this wasn't something where he built up a head of steam on this guy.

Mr. Senator.

Maybe this is something that just went off instantaneously. Maybe the guy said something to him which I didn't know. Maybe he called him a curse word, you know. I don't know what it could have been.

Mr. Hubert.

You have indicated along here in your testimony, particularly in answer to a question of a little while ago, that he had a fast temper. I think you said he was a man of temper. I think that was your phrase?

Mr. Senator.

Agree.

Mr. Hubert.

And you snapped your fingers and said he would just go like that.

Mr. Senator.

He could have a pretty fast temper.

Mr. Hubert.

Now that must be based, that is to say your impression must be based upon episodes when you witnessed him losing---

Mr. Senator.

I witnessed him on me, but not hitting me.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about----

Mr. Senator.

Hollered at me, you know.
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about some of the episodes that you saw concerning yourself or others which indicated to you that he had a fast temper?

Mr. Senator.

Well, if there should have been discussion about something, whatever it might be, with me he would make wrong and holler at me and flare up at me.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you mean by "make wrong"?

Mr. Senator.

I could never be right with the man, see what I mean? I couldn't be right. In other words, if I said black was black he would say no it is white and that is it.

Mr. Hubert.

And he would do that in a gruff fashion do you think?

Mr. Senator.

With me? Oh my, you have no idea how many times he has hollered at me but he'd never lay a hand on me. And the funny thing is that is how fast he got over it, and he'd forget about it.

Mr. Hubert.

You snapped your fingers again? You mean that he would---

Mr. Senator.

In other words, when I snapped my fingers I meant he would get over it that fast from me.

Mr. Hubert.

So, from your own experience there have been innumerable occasions where he would react toward you in such a way that you would describe it as anger, manifested ---

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Wait a while.

Mr. Senator.

You would think he was going to hit me but I knew he wouldn't.

Mr. Hubert.

This anger being manifested by a loud tone and certain gestures which would indicate he was going to hit you, but didn't, and that you have seen many times, and you also tell us that---

Mr. Senator.

I have seen it on myself at certain times. Many times with others, but whatever the thing might be, I mean I don't know. Like I told you before, if somebody come up there and pinched a stripper or something like that, which has happened, man, this would throw him off. He didn't like that.

Mr. Hubert.

But you say he would calm down right away?

Mr. Senator.

He would calm down right away. And he would warn them "Again, out" and he would put them out. There wouldn't be any hesitation. He protected his girls up there, this I'll tell you, at all times.

Mr. Hubert.

I want to explore another aspect of this that you have mentioned, and that is that as quickly as he flared up he seemed to flare down, I he seemed to flare down, if you want me to put it that way, calm down. Can you give us examples of that?

Mr. Senator.

I can give you examples of myself on that.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean that following one of these flareups that you have described?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he would holler at me.

Mr. Hubert.

Then it would be all over.

Mr. Senator.

He would holler at me and raise the roof at me and then he would tone down.