Mr. Senator.

Me? No; of course I'm certain there must be sneak gambling you know, like anyone else. They call it sneak gambling, you know, you do it under cover. But at that time when I got down there, I think it was either shut down or close to being shut down. I don't remember just what year it was. They just clamped down, you know.
Of course, I remember when I first went there as a kid, everything was open. Slot machines used to be on the streets and all that.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you yourself ever done any gambling?

Mr. Senator.

No; I'm no gambler. When you put it this way, I will put it this way: You mean have I played poker at home, 5 and 10 or something like that?

Mr. Hubert.

No.

Mr. Senator.

No; the only time that I ever did any gambling was when I was overseas. I was in the jungles for approximately 3 years. What other recreation did we have? So we gambled.

Mr. Hubert.

I want to explore a bit more the means by which you obtained money to live during the 2 1/2 years that you were apparently unemployed, at least no earnings were reported, that is to say, from July of 1958 until the first of 1962.

Mr. Senator.

What years?

Mr. Hubert.

According to the records, there were no earnings reported for you by anybody nor did you apparently report any yourself from July roughly of 1958 until January 1 of 1962, or the first part of 1962.

Mr. Senator.

Approximately about 4 weeks ago the Internal Revenue had me and they called me right after I got off the witness stand at the Jack Ruby trial that they wanted to see me.

Mr. Hubert.

Go ahead.

Mr. Senator.

They gave me a notice to come up and see them. They allowed me 10 days to come up and see them, which I did.
When I was unemployed, when I lost my job I think it was in 1958, when I was with Rhea, which is a very depressing feeling, I don't know how to explain this, I really don't know how-to explain it to you, I didn't file. Why I didn't file I can't even answer, I don't know why I didn't file.

Mr. Hubert.

Before you get to that, maybe we ought to get to this part. You say you lost your job. You are talking about being with Smoler's?

Mr. Senator.

No; that was with Rhea.

Mr. Hubert.

You were with Smoler's a long time. What caused you to lose your job there?

Mr. Senator.

With Smoler Brothers?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

As I say, they weren't happy with me and I wasn't happy with them.
First of all, I'll tell you they had cut down the territory and they were unhappy with the type business I was doing. So, this was a volume house, and the type operation was, I don't know if I classify, if I tell you $3.75 a dress, I don't know If it means anything to you or not, but at this price range, at the wholesale price range, you have got to do a volume business to make any money. And through this they weren't happy. And I wasn't happy because they had cut my territory down so, so we parted good friends. I wasn't making any money anyhow over that.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you had times with Smoler's when you had done considerably better?

Mr. Senator.

There were times that I did better. I don't say that I did a fantastic job with them, but I have done a little better than that.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you been able to make any savings to carry you forward?
You see, that is what I want to get at. We find when you left Smoler's, you go to Rhea's----

Mr. Senator.

Excuse me, before I went to Rhea I had other odd jobs you know that were nothing to speak of.

Mr. Hubert.

Here is what I want to get at.
Here is a period of 2 1/2 years, you had to have some money to live on or people gave you money or something of that sort. Now tell us about that.