Mr. Senator.

Casually, because Stanley and I lived next door to him. But, of course, Start never went to his club unless I took him there.

Mr. Hubert.

Stan got married, of course, and that is why he moved out of the apartment?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where is he living now, in Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know the number, but I think he is living on Munger Street.

Mr. Hubert.

Have you seen him since Oswald was shot?

Mr. Senator.

Oh, sure.

Mr. Hubert.

How did you come in contact with him, socially?

Mr. Senator.

I just happened to run across him one day. I ran across him once in a delicatessen.

Mr. Hubert.

Just once?

Mr. Senator.

In the delicatessen. I ran across him once in a delicatessen Then I ran across him another time. As a matter of fact, I ran across him I think it was twice since the happenings.

Mr. Hubert.

What does he do?

Mr. Senator.

He is a buyer for a department store. He buys women's budget dresses.

Mr. Griffin.

Which department store?

Mr. Senator.

Titche.

Mr. Griffin.

That is in Dallas?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Where is that located?

Mr. Senator.

That is I think on Main Street. I think it is on Main Street.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me ask you a few other questions about yourself.
Have you ever been in any difficulties with the law, that is to say, by way of charges?

Mr. Senator.

No; the only incident I ever had with the law, and I have been asked many times before on this already, that one night--this goes back maybe 3 or 4 years ago--there was another chap and I, we went to a cocktail lounge and we both had two scotches and water. We crossed the street and I think we crossed the street against the light because in Dallas they are very meticulous of crossing against the lights, and we went into the coffee shop to get something to eat. We no sooner got in the coffee shop than two cops nabbed me, us rather. They said we were drunk. Now I wasn't any more drunk than he was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they charge you?

Mr. Senator.

Yes; they took us down to jail, 4 hours to sober up, but I had nothing to sober up with.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they follow up with any charges?

Mr. Senator.

No; we were fined $15.

Mr. Hubert.

You were fined?

Mr. Senator.

I believe it was $15.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that the only time?

Mr. Senator.

The only time in my life.

Mr. Hubert.

The only time you have ever been arrested?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

There have been no other charges?

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Also I gather from the fact that you got an honorable discharge, that you had no difficulties with military justice?

Mr. Senator.

Never.

Mr. Hubert.

During the war?

Mr. Senator.

Never, none whatsoever.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, while you were living in Miami, did you have occasion to get to know or meet or make friends with, either one, any person who would be classified as gamblers, professional gamblers?

Mr. Senator.

Professional?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to any gambling houses?