Mr. Hubert.

I think you mentioned that there was another man, a third man----

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Whose name you couldn't remember at the time. Can you remember his name now?

Mr. Senator.

Jack Loftus.

Mr. Hubert.

L-o-f-t-u-s?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, that is correct, Jack Loftus, and he lives in Hillsboro, if he is still there.

Mr. Hubert.

What is his occupation?

Mr. Senator.

I think he works for a newspaper down there now in Hillsboro.

Mr. Hubert.

Texas?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, Hillsboro, Tex.

Mr. Hubert.

When was the last time you saw him?

Mr. Senator.

I saw him the same night I saw Young. I may have seen him after that. I know I have seen him a couple of times, but I don't remember if it was after that or before that. I don't remember that, but I do definitely remember seeing him the last time in December. This part I do remember.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the same day you saw Young?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that just a coincidence or was it a plan?

Mr. Senator.

No, no; no coincidence. They were looking for me and I'll tell you where I saw him. I saw him up at Jack Ruby's club.

Mr. Hubert.

That was after Oswald was shot?

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

They were looking for you for what reason?

Mr. Senator.

Sir?

Mr. Hubert.

For what reason were. they looking? Why were they looking for you?

Mr. Senator.

Just friends, that is all, because I had lived with them, you know, for a while. Nothing particular.

Mr. Hubert.

I suppose, too, they had known that you were in the apartment with Ruby.

Mr. Senator.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Of course, it was national news.

Mr. Senator.

They had read of the incident or heard of the incident somehow.

Mr. Griffin.

How long was that after Ruby killed Oswald that you saw them?

Mr. Senator.

These two boys?

Mr. Griffin.

Yes.

Mr. Senator.

I think it was in December now. I don't remember if it was a week, two or three. I'm not sure. I just don't remember.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you relate it to say Christmastime, Christmas day?

Mr. Senator.

It could be. I just can't think of when it was. Possibly.

Mr. Hubert.

How long prior to then had you seen Loftus?

Mr. Senator.

Before?

Mr. Hubert.

Yes, say before Oswald was shot. How long had it been since you had seen Loftus?

Mr. Senator.

Let me put it this way: I can't quote it. I really can't quote it, but I would say that he lived in Hillsboro and he used to come up on weekends and I believe he stayed with his friend in Irving, Frank Irwin.

Mr. Hubert.

What was the friend's name?

Mr. Senator.

Frank Irwin.

Mr. Hubert.

I-r-w-i-n?

Mr. Senator.

I-r-w-i-n, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And that person lived in Irving, Tex.?

Mr. Senator.

Irving, yes; he lived in Irving. Now I used to run across him once in a while. He used to come up you know for the weekend.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he know Ruby?

Mr. Senator.

Yes, he knew him casually.

Mr. Hubert.

What about these others, Frank Irwin and James Young?

Mr. Senator.

I don't know if they knew Ruby.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Stanley Corbat know him?