Mr. Griffin.

How did you happen to go up to Jack's apartment?

Mr. Patterson.

Well, it was the same night that he came over to SMU to listen at us, and he said, "What are you fixing to do?"
I said, "I am going home." It was on a Sunday after we got through playing and he said, "Why don't you come by and let's discuss, you know, the pay that I would pay you and the hours and so forth." So he didn't live too far from my house, and we stopped by there.

Mr. Griffin.

You and your trumpet player?

Mr. Patterson.

No, just me.

Mr. Griffin.

And Jack--was Senator with Jack at SMU?

Mr. Patterson.

Who?

Mr. Griffin.

Was George, was he with Jack?

Mr. Patterson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

At SMU?

Mr. Patterson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

So when you got to Jack's apartment, the roommate was there, George?

Mr. Patterson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Was anybody else there?

Mr. Patterson.

The dog, and another woman and a man came in. I had seen her over to the club working. I guess she was related to him in some way.

Mr. Griffin.

You had seen her at the Vegas Club?

Mr. Patterson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Would it have been Mrs. Grant?

Mr. Patterson.

I don't know.

Mr. Griffin.

What time of the night did this man and woman come in?

Mr. Patterson.

I guess it was around 8 o'clock.

Mr. Griffin.

How long did you remain at the apartment that night?

Mr. Patterson.

About 20 minutes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you notice anything unusual about the apartment?

Mr. Patterson.

No. Just an apartment.

Mr. Griffin.

Was that the only time you ever saw George?

Mr. Patterson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

How long before the assassination of the President was it that you went to Jack's apartment?

Mr. Patterson.

Approximately 2 weeks or 2 1/2, something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

And it is your recollection that this was a Sunday?

Mr. Patterson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you have any record at home from which you could determine when that was? Any record of being paid at SMU which would indicate when it was?

Mr. Patterson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

The man who came into the apartment that Sunday night with the woman, how old a man did he appear to be?

Mr. Patterson.

I don't recall, but I would say he was in his middle thirties or maybe 40. I didn't pay that much attention, because I don't think I ever seen him before.

Mr. Griffin.

Did he appear to be a Jewish man?

Mr. Patterson.

I don't know. I don't think I ever heard him talk.

Mr. Griffin.

How tall do you recall him being?

Mr. Patterson.

Maybe 5' 11", something like that.

Mr. Griffin.

How about his build, fat, medium, thin?

Mr. Patterson.

He was fairly thin, I think.

Mr. Griffin.

That was the only occasion that you were ever in Jack's apartment?

Mr. Patterson.

Yes.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you meet him any other places?

Mr. Patterson.

No.

Mr. Griffin.

Did you ever meet any of the people who worked at the Carousel Club outside of Billy DeMar?

Mr. Patterson.

No.