(Testimony of Robert Carl Patterson)
Mr. Griffin.
When was that?
Mr. Patterson.
This was the same Sunday that I talked to him.
Mr. Griffin.
Any other places that you talked to him?
Mr. Patterson.
Well, I had an interview on the radio one night at the Circle Bowl.
Mr. Griffin.
Where?
Mr. Patterson.
Circle Bowl; bowling alley.
Mr. Griffin.
What radio station?
Mr. Patterson.
KBOX.
Mr. Griffin.
How did you happen to be interviewed there?
Mr. Patterson.
It was the first night I met Jack Ruby. I was playing at the Vegas. I did the show, and Mrs. Grant called me over and introduced me to him, and he said, "I like the way you play. Do you want to talk on the radio?" So I said, "Sure." So he said, "Follow me," and me and Robert Simpson followed him over to the Circle Bowl, and Jack West was doing his night program and he interviewed me.
Mr. Griffin.
When was that?
Mr. Patterson.
It was the first night that I met him.
Mr. Griffin.
Back in the summer sometime, 1963?
Mr. Patterson.
No, I didn't know him, but I would say a month or month and a half at the most prior to.
Mr. Griffin.
But he called or spoke to you either in person or on the telephone about 15 times in that month or month and a half?
Mr. Patterson.
Yes. I mean in the same day and stuff like that, you know, on different occasions.
Mr. Griffin.
Now on any of these occasions that you saw him in person, did he have anybody else with him?
Mr. Patterson.
Yes. The night I met him, he had somebody else with him.
Mr. Griffin.
At SMU?
Mr. Patterson.
No. I met him at the Vegas Club.
Mr. Griffin.
Who did he have with him?
Mr. Patterson.
He introduced me to a guy that was entertaining at the Carousel, Billy DeMar. I think that is the last name.
Mr. Griffin.
Was anybody else with him that night?
Mr. Patterson.
A little short guy. I don't know his name.
Mr. Griffin.
Was he a Negro boy or a white one?
Mr. Patterson.
I think he was just--he was an old man.
Mr. Griffin.
About how old a man would you say he was?
Mr. Patterson.
I would say he was in his late forties.
Mr. Griffin.
How tall was he?
Mr. Patterson.
About my size, about 5'2".
Mr. Griffin.
What was his build, heavy, medium or thin man?
Mr. Patterson.
For his size, he was kind of fat. Stomach went like that [indicating].
Mr. Griffin.
Was he balding, or did he have all of his hair?
Mr. Patterson.
I think he was balding.
Mr. Griffin.
Do you remember if he wore glasses?
Mr. Patterson.
I don't remember.
Mr. Griffin.
Did he appear to be a business associate of Jack Ruby's?
Mr. Patterson.
I couldn't tell. I didn't ride in the same car with him or nothing. I just saw him with him.
Mr. Griffin.
This other fellow didn't do any of the talking?
Mr. Patterson.
Well, we were talking about promoting the record and he said, "Jack will put you over, don't worry."
He says, "If he likes you, he likes you, and if he don't like you, he don't like you." I remember him saying that.
Mr. Griffin.
Did you ever see this man again?
Mr. Patterson.
No, I never did.
Mr. Griffin.
Did you ever meet any other people with Jack?
Mr. Patterson.
His roommate, George. I don't remember his last name.
Mr. Griffin.
Where did you meet George?
Mr. Patterson.
At their apartment.
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