Mr. Litchfield.

is, "Pick out Oswald," and I said, "There he is, anybody walking in Dallas could do it."

Mr. Hubert.

What was the purpose in having you pick out Oswald?

Mr. Litchfield.

I would imagine the police department wanted to know if I really knew him or really had seen someone like him.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, when you picked out Oswald, were you simply picking out Oswald because you had seen his picture on television, or were you picking him out because he was the man you thought you had seen in the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

When I picked out his picture, I was picking it out because I had seen it on television so many times.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, the police wouldn't ask you to pick out Oswald's picture unless there was some reason for your specific identification of Oswald.

Mr. Litchfield.

Well----

Mr. Hubert.

You had called Green, from what you tell me, to tell him that you thought that you had seen a man who looked like Oswald at the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Wasn't that the reason why they were asking you to pick out the man that you had seen at the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

I would assume--- I don't know. I wouldn't know their reasoning behind it. I would assume this would be it, but when I picked him out, I told them at the time, I .made the statement, "Anybody in Dallas could pick him out-- he was on the TV so much."

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever tell them that the man I now know is Oswald from the films and that I am now picking him out is also the man that I saw at the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

I did.

Mr. Hubert.

You told them that?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And you believe that to be true?

Mr. Litchfield.

I thought it was until they convinced me I was wrong.

Mr. Hubert.

What do you think about it now?

Mr. Litchfield.

I said, "It sure as heck looked like him," that's all I can say now. Of course, I don't want to say I'm definitely positive it is--I said, "It's a heck of a close resemblance."

Mr. Hubert.

That's your testimony right now, that as far as the man you saw and have described---sloppy clothes, white jacket--T-shirt type go in and see Ruby before you on an occasion approximately 5 weeks before the assassination of the President, that that man and the Oswald photographs later shown you, you think that they bore a close resemblance?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes; they do---they bear a resemblance.

Mr. Hubert.

I gather that you were more positive of the identity of Oswald as being the man in the Carousel on the occasion we have been speaking about at one time than you are now?

Mr. Litchfield.

I was; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What has caused your opinion in the matter to weaken?

Mr. Litchfield.

The fact that they gave me the polygraphic test, that showed when they asked me---was it definitely him, it didn't show up right, and the fact that I had told Don when I called him, I said, "It sure as beck looks like him," and when the police were questioning me, they said, "Are you positive, are you positive, are you positive?"
I said, "It looks like him, it looks like him, it looks like him." And they come back, "Are you positive, are you positive?" And then the fact that when the Federal agents talked to me, they said, "You know, if you say you are positive and it wasn't him," it's a Federal charge, and I said, "Well, I'm not that positive."

Mr. Hubert.

The Federal agent told you if you gave an opinion----

Mr. Litchfield.

No; they said, "If you give false information as to an exact statement--" not an opinion, but if I say I'm positive, that's a statement.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, are you conveying to me that you really were positive, but that----

Mr. Litchfield.

In my mind.