Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever get a look at his face?

Mr. Litchfield.

When he left he had to walk right by me. The door is not more than--it's one of these partition-type doors and it is not more than 5 feet or 4 feet wide, and the table I was sitting at--I was sitting at the edge of the door. I couldn't help but see him when he walked along there.

Mr. Hubert.

How long was he in with Jack?

Mr. Litchfield.

No more than. 10 or 15 or 20 minutes, maybe, at the most.

Mr. Hubert.

And when he came out you went in Jack's office?

Mr. Litchfield.

No; you see, Jack's office is back, in the back and you got to walk down two halls and Jack came out and got me. This fellow came out and then Jack came out and got me and I went back there with him.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you observe what this fellow you thought might be Oswald did at that time?

Mr. Litchfield.

He went on out the door.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you ever see him again?

Mr. Litchfield.

No; not until I saw him on television--and I thought it was the same one.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, that impression got firmer and firmer in your mind, as I gather it, as the week went on?

Mr. Litchfield.

After that Sunday television seeing Jack shoot him there; yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But when you told Don Green your impression, it was not the same day, was it?

Mr. Litchfield.

No, sir; it was a week later.

Mr. Hubert.

It was actually the Sunday later?

Mr. Litchfield.

I believe it was Saturday or Sunday.

Mr. Hubert.

And the impression began to grow on you more and more that it might well be the same man?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

And as a matter of fact, as I understand you, it grew so much that you thought you should tell someone about it?

Mr. Litchfield.

I called Don and asked him what he thought I should do.

Mr. Hubert.

And he suggested coming to the office and I think you have told us about that.
Was there another man around there you heard had come from California?

Mr. Litchfield.

There was somebody waiting to see Jack, like I said, that was sitting--there was a aisle going straight and you got to turn left--back by the pole where the light switches are, and he was waiting to see him and I believe he said he was from California and he was in his middle thirties, a black-headed fellow. I never met the man and he saw Jack and he was still there when I left.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was?

Mr. Litchfield.

This fellow we are speaking of now.

Mr. Hubert.

From California, you mean?

Mr. Litchfield.

I think he said he was from California. I think when I came in the doorman said, "Well, there are two other people here and the photographer to see him ahead of you," when I first came in, and he said, "He's late now, but you can have a seat and wait if you want to." And the two other people were the fellow whom I assumed that looked like this Oswald, and this fellow, I believe that said he was from California and the photographer--were the three people in front of me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you see the man who said he was from California talk to the man you think was Oswald?

Mr. Litchfield.

No, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You had never seen Oswald before?

Mr. Litchfield.

No; never had.

Mr. Hubert.

You were shown pictures of Oswald, is that right?

Mr. Litchfield.

I was shown a police photograph of him, front and side view, with three others.

Mr. Hubert.

What was your impression at that time as to whether Oswald was the man you had seen in the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

I wasn't asked my impression at that time--all I was asked