Mr. Hubert.

And it was on that occasion that you talked to Jack about buying the Vegas?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he counteroffered by suggesting that you buy the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

Correct.

Mr. Hubert.

Do I understand that that was the last time you saw Jack that night?

Mr. Litchfield.

It was until I saw him on television--I happened to be playing poker then.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you fix the time of that occasion with reference to particularly the death of the President, about how long before?

Mr. Litchfield.

Well, like I said, it was probably the middle of October.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think it was about a month and a lithe bit before the death of the President?

Mr. Litchfield.

He was killed the last half of November--maybe 5 weeks or 6 weeks--it was about the middle of October.

Mr. Hubert.

I think you have previously stated that you saw a man in there on this occasion who you thought was Oswald?

Mr. Litchfield.

I did--in fact, I made the statement, as I was saying a while ago, when I was playing poker--a bunch of fellows from the bowling alley--we usually play on Saturday night. We started about 9:30 and the game continued all through the night--one of those $2 limit games and we were still playing Sunday, and the fellow's wife had carried the children to church and come back and said something about Ruby had shot Oswald on television. No, excuse me, "Had shot him." She had heard it on the radio, and so we turned on the television and they were rerunning all of this and a big hullabaloo over it and that was the next time I saw Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

And did you make any comment at that time that you had seen Oswald in the Carousel?

Mr. Litchfield.

I had seen Oswald on television before. I said, "That guy looks familiar," and a few of the fellows were around, and I don't remember where I said it there at the poker game, but somebody said, "I think I've seen that Oswald around somewhere," and I made the statement, "Yes, I think I have seen him too," and that was the extent of it. Nothing more was said.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that statement you made that you had seen Oswald around somewhere, was it made before Oswald was shot?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you repeat it thereafter?

Mr. Litchfield.

I did to a friend of mine who is on the vice squad here in Dallas.

Mr. Hubert.

And what is his name?

Mr. Litchfield.

Donald Green.

Mr. Hubert.

When did you tell him?

Mr. Litchfield.

Well, it was the day preceding the day that I went down--I think I went down on a Monday to the police station to talk to the FBI agents and everybody, so I must have talked to Don on the Sunday night preceding that or on Saturday. I called him on the phone and I told him, "I think I have seen that man with Jack up at the Carousel." I said, "I don't know, but I'm pretty darn sure I have." And he made some calls and called me back and said the police department right now wants to talk to me, and he met me I believe it was Monday, I'm pretty sure it was a Monday, he met me Monday morning about 9:15 or 9:30 at the coffee shop of the Statler and we walked on up to the police station.

Mr. Hubert.

And you made a statement of that?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And subsequently that same day you made a statement to the FBI?

Mr. Litchfield.

Two FBI agents.

Mr. Hubert.

I think they asked you to take a polygraph test too?

Mr. Litchfield.

Right.

Mr. Hubert.

And you did?

Mr. Litchfield.

And the tests showed that I hadn't seen him because when