Mr. Hubert.

statement--at the time you were there there were some people taking pictures of the club?

Mr. Litchfield.

There were some fellows--you see, when I walked in Jack wasn't there and I told the doorman, whom I found out later was his roommate I don't remember the man's name, that I was to see Jack on business and he said he wasn't there, and so I sat down and had some coffee and watched the bumps and what have you, and after Jack came in, then he had to see two or three people before me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you happen to mention to the doorman or anybody else around there that you were from California?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You did so?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Whom did you tell that to, do you remember?

Mr. Litchfield.

The doorman and some other fellow that was sitting there. He asked me where I was from and I said, "California and Phoenix"--is all I said. I didn't think it was any of his business who I was.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the name of the other man, other than the doorman to whom you said that?

Mr. Litchfield.

No--he was a little short fellow, I would say late forties or maybe even middle fifties. If I remember right he had kind of a silver hairline. I don't remember--whether he was kind of bald in the center or not, I know it was receding, and he had an appearance of being of Jewish descent.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you think you might recognize his name?

Mr. Litchfield.

I doubt it, because when he was introduced to me I didn't pay that much attention to it--no, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Who introduced you?

Mr. Litchfield.

The doorman. They were sitting there together drinking a Seven-Up or a Sprite.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, so, you just stayed and waited for Jack?

Mr. Litchfield.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you have to wait?

Mr. Litchfield.

I think--30 or 45 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

And Jack came in?

Mr. Litchfield.

The dog first, then him.

Mr. Hubert.

Then, did he see you right away?

Mr. Litchfield.

No, he walked by me because I was sitting right by the door and he turned and said something to the doorman first and then I think he went on back and put his hat up and came back to the doorman, and that's when the doorman pointed me out--he walked over and said--just a moment--he had two or three other fellows to see him--I was sitting by the door- -have you ever been in the Carousel?

Mr. Hubert.

No, sir.

Mr. Litchfield.

Well, I was sitting by the door like this, as you are walking in you have to turn left. There is an aisle and there was a fellow sitting back here by the pole with the light switches on it and there was a fellow sitting in front of me, and then there was the photographer who was there. I didn't meet the photographer until after I had been introduced to Jack and Jack introduced me to him--some magazine for strippers like Male or Stag type magazine and he was taking pictures and he had to get releases from the strippers--some kind of a release they would have to sign so that he could take their pictures.

Mr. Hubert.

You saw him getting the releases from the people?

Mr. Litchfield.

Well, I saw how he came in and he had the releases in his hand. He said he had to get all of the girls to sign them and he said all of them would sign them except one.

Mr. Hubert.

And that was when you were talking to Jack in his office?

Mr. Litchfield.

In his office.

Mr. Hubert.

The photographer came in and said that he had some papers in his hand which you understood to be releases?

Mr. Litchfield.

No, he said he had the releases and had to go out and get them signed, and then he came back again and said all except one was signed.