Mr. Hubert.

What was the nature of the conversation?

Mr. Crafard.

About the fact that I told them I had worked for him. It was kind of a surprise to them to know somebody who worked for him; asked me what kind of a guy he was, and everything.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell them?

Mr. Crafard.

What I could, the best I could, what kind of a guy he was.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you tell them under what circumstances--did you tell them the circumstances under which you had left?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes: told them how I had left.

Mr. Hubert.

Did they express any surprise about that?

Mr. Crafard.

No; because they knew me.

Mr. Hubert.

They didn't seem to be concerned about it?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was there?

Mr. Crafard.

There was my cousin and his wife.

Mr. Hubert.

Just the two?

Mr. Crafard.

And their children.

Mr. Hubert.

How old are their children?

Mr. Crafard.

The oldest one, I think, is 7 or 8, something like that.

Mr. Hubert.

No friends came over?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe there was anybody over that night.

Mr. Hubert.

You did stay there that night?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you go to bed?

Mr. Crafard.

It must have been about an hour and a half after I got there, 2 hours.

Mr. Hubert.

And you slept through the night?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you remain there the next day?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I went on up to Harrison.

Mr. Hubert.

Was that in the direction of Kalkaska?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; along the best traveled road.

Mr. Hubert.

What time did you leave Clare?

Mr. Crafard.

Probably about 9:30 or 10 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

Did your cousin Roberts know your destination?

Mr. Crafard.

He knew where I was going to go on to my sister's.

Mr. Hubert.

He knew you were going to hitchhike?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had he been in touch with your sister, do you know?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe he had been in touch with her for quite a while.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean, did he know she was there?

Mr. Crafard.

She might have told her that he was living up there---I think mother told my sister where he lived, or something.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the distance between Clare and your sister's place in Kalkaska, is it?

Mr. Crafard.

Kalkaska, about 100, 120 miles.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that a rural community?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

No cities along that route?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, there is one about 60 miles from it.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the name of it?

Mr. Crafard.

Cadillac. It is about 60 miles from Traverse City.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you have enough money at that time to get a bus ride in?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

You had about $4 or $5 left, didn't you?

Mr. Crafard.

I had a couple of dollars left.

Mr. Hubert.

$2?

Mr. Crafard.

$2 or $3.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you attempt to borrow any money from your cousin to take the trip?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he offer to give you any?