Mr. Hubert.

Wasn't it playing?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you discuss the shooting?

Mr. Crafard.

After I found out that Oswald had been shot we discussed it a little bit. We couldn't understand. Both of us, as far as I can recall---the gentleman I was riding with and myself--we both said we would like to have seen him come to trial.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you mention to the man that you were from Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Isn't it customary for hitchhikers to discuss what is a subject common to them, and that is where you have been and where you are going?

Mr. Crafard.

Most of the time; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Didn't you, in fact, do that with this man; tell him you were from Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall whether I did or not.

Mr. Hubert.

There is a difference between telling us that you don't know and that you did not.

Mr. Crafard.

That is what I say. I don't recall whether I did or not.

Mr. Hubert.

So, really, it is not that you are saying to us that you didn't, but just that you don't remember?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right, I don't recall whether I had been doing so. I more than likely did, because it is usually something that they say; it is a subject that most people would discuss--where their destination is and where they have come from.

Mr. Hubert.

And I would think that if you did, if there was a possibility that you did, and you mentioned that you were from Dallas, that that would be another topic of conversation that might be interesting between two people riding along that way.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That is to say, that you had been in the city at which the President was killed.

Mr. Crafard.

We would have discussed that.

Mr. Hubert.

Doesn't that refresh your memory on the subject?

Mr. Crafard.

No; it doesn't, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

You still don't remember?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Talking to that man about the fact that you were in Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember having any indication that it was known who had shot Oswald?

Mr. Crafard.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you talk to anyone about the fact that it was a nightclub owner?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall, sir.

Mr. Griffin.

Did the radio remain on after you heard this announcement?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember whether the radio stayed on, or whether he turned it off, or what.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, what you are telling us--it is your best memory now that you heard it over the radio that Oswald had been shot. That is as much as you did hear?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

You did not hear who had done it or even the type of person who had done it, or what business the person was in who had done it, and that you never discussed it with anybody that you rode with in any one of those rides in Chicago and with the ride to Lansing?

Mr. Crafard.

So far as I recall, I don't recall--I lmagine it was discussed, but I don't recall discussing it. I don't remember it.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's put it this way: If you had discussed with anybody the killing of Oswald, the man accused of killing Oswald, you would remember that now, wouldn't you, Larry?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I would, i.f I discussed anything about who had been accused