Mr. Hubert.

Now you have hitchhiked a lot, Larry---isn't it true that it is much harder for a group of people to hitchhike than an individual?

Mr. Crafard.

It depends on the group. You take a group like that and it is much easier for a family group like that to get a hitchhike than it is for a single person.

Mr. Hubert.

Why?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, people seem to stop a lot faster for a family group like that than they would for a single person.

Mr. Hubert.

But you had never hitchhiked north, had you?

Mr. Crafard.

I figured to myself that we would take a route across from Dallas to Amarillo, that that was a pretty hard route to hichhike under any circumstances, and figured that would be a lot easier, to go up 77 to hit 66, than it would be to go through to Amarillo.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you consult a map at all in planning this trip?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where?

Mr. Crafard.

We picked it up at the gas station.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean after you started out?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I picked up a map right there.

Mr. Hubert.

Where?

Mr. Crafard.

In Dallas, Tex., about a block from where my wife and I had been living.

Mr. Hubert.

I am talking about consulting a map with reference to going to see your sister when you left Ruby's place.

Mr. Crafard.

I knew that 77 would carry me right into 66, and 66 would carry me almost in to Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't have to consult a map then?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that what you are telling us?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

All right. This boy picked you up then and carried you about 30 miles, you say?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

To what place?

Mr. Crafard.

Out the other side of Carrollton a little ways.

Mr. Hubert.

What State?

Mr. Crafard.

Texas.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he live there?

Mr. Crafard.

He had a place there on the lake he was working on, he was going out there.

Mr. Hubert.

What lake was that?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the name of the lake.

Mr. Hubert.

But it was at Carrollton?

Mr. Crafard.

Out the other side of Carrollton.

Mr. Hubert.

How far beyond Carrollton?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know. He went out and turned off on a country road.

Mr. Hubert.

But he left you on the highway?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it a country road that went east or west of the highway you were on?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he went to the west, I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you how far he had to go up the road?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

He was going to work, is that it?

Mr. Crafard.

How's that?

Mr. Hubert.

He was going to work?

Mr. Crafard.

He was going to go up and do some work on his cabin.

Mr. Hubert.

On his cabin on the lake?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did this man know Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Could he have met Ruby as you did out at the fair?