Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the name of the cafe. I could take a Person right to it, but I can't tell you the name.

Mr. Hubert.

How far away was it from the Carousel?

Mr. Crafard.

About 2 1/2 blocks.

Mr. Hubert.

Which way?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it would be south.

Mr. Hubert.

What was it, on Commerce Street?

Mr. Crafard.

It was half a block off Commerce, two blocks down Commerce and half a block off.

Mr. Hubert.

Was Senator with you then?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, the three of us were together. We went in and had coffee, and I believe Jack showed the pictures to the man there in the cafe.

Mr. Hubert.

What did Jack say about the pictures at any time, commencing from the time you took them till----

Mr. Crafard.

There was some reference made between the address on the pictures and the address on an ad he had saw in the paper.

Mr. Hubert.

Who made that reference?

Mr. Crafard.

Ruby made the reference.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember the context of the reference, what the idea was contained in his reference?

Mr. Crafard.

The fact that there was quite a similarity--he said something about the numbers were the same when turned around a little bit.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean that the numbers----

Mr. Crafard.

In the address.

Mr. Hubert.

The numbers in the address of the sign of which you had taken a picture were similar to those in an advertisement of some sort?

Mr. Crafard.

As far as I could understand, a hate advertisement that he had saw in the paper.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he have that hate advertisement with him?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he express his thoughts as to what he proposed to do with those pictures?

Mr. Crafard.

He said something about going down to the post office and checking this box number to see who had a box number, a certain box, or something.

Mr. Hubert.

Other than that, did he mention what he wanted the pictures for?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I recall, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

How long did you stay in the care?

Mr. Crafard.

We was there long enough to drink coffee, and that is about it.

Mr. Hubert.

That would be about how many minutes?

Mr. Crafard.

Oh, maybe 20 or 25 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

Where did you go next?

Mr. Crafard.

Then they took me over to the Carousel Club and dropped me off at the Carousel Club.

Mr. Hubert.

What time was that?

Mr. Crafard.

This was about 5, maybe 5:20. I'd say between 5 and 5:30.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do next?

Mr. Crafard.

I went back upstairs and put the camera up.

Mr. Hubert.

And then what?

Mr. Crafard.

I think I picked up a book and read another book or something.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to sleep?

Mr. Crafard.

Read a book or something.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you go to sleep?

Mr. Crafard.

I wasn't sleepy at that time.

Mr. Hubert.

I said did you go to sleep?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

What is the next thing that happened?

Mr. Crafard.

About 8:30, I think it was, I called Jack. When I had been with them I said something about dogfood, and Jack had said he'd bring some back, so I called him about 8:30 and said--I guess I woke him up or something. He was fairly shook up over the phone and chewed me out a little bit about waking him up at that time in the morning.