Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever wakened him up at that time before?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I had never called him before in the morning, like that.

Mr. Hubert.

What made you do so on this occasion?

Mr. Crafard.

He wanted me to be sure and feed the dogs, and I didn't have any dogfood to feed them. He was usually up by that time in the morning, the way he talked. He said he always got up at 7 o'clock every morning, and I called him, figured when he did come down he could bring dogfood down.

Mr. Hubert.

You expressed two thoughts a little while ago. I want to, there again, get the factual basis for those thoughts or impressions. One, that he was shook up, and the other that he chewed you out. Those are both impressions that are based upon facts. What were the facts?

Mr. Crafard.

Well, the way he answerd the phone, he was kind of teed off, you know, sort of teed off. He answered the phone in a grumpy way. He had never spoke to me on the phone that way before.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he say?

Mr. Crafard.

He just give me the daylights for calling him.

Mr. Hubert.

How did he give you the daylights?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember what he said exactly.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he curse?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he say that you were stupid? Did he use some words that you didn't like, that gave you the impression he was mad at you?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember what he said, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

But, in any case, whatever words they were, they were not polite?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Shall I put it that way?

Mr. Crafard.

It was his general way of speaking to me, more like he talked to me more like he always did with Andy, when he was mad with Andy, when he was bawling Andy out for something.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it the tone of voice more than the actual words?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was both. One thing his voice was very loud, and he knew how that grated on me.

Mr. Hubert.

He had talked to you like that before?

Mr. Crafard.

On one occasion, and I had stopped him. I told him I didn't like it. I told him if he wanted to talk to me, to talk to me, not to yell at me.

Mr. Hubert.

How long ago had that been before?

Mr. Crafard.

Just shortly after I went to work for him.

Mr. Hubert.

And he had never done it since?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

But he did do it on this occasion?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

You also said that he seemed shook up, I think, or what were the words you used there?

Mr. Griffin.

That are used?

Mr. Hubert.

No; that he used.

Mr. Griffin.

I think he said "shook up.”

Mr. Crafard.

I believe I did.

Mr. Hubert.

And that he had chewed you out. I had asked you for a separate basis of facts for both of those, both of those mental impressions you got. Is your explanation intended to cover both of them?

Mr. Crafard.

About the only thing I could figure, it would be the same for the other.

Mr. Hubert.

As I gather it then----

Mr. Crafard.

He was shook up, mad.

Mr. Hubert.

He was mad at you?

Mr. Crafard.

That is what I believe I was using the term "shook up" to mean.

Mr. Hubert.

He was mad at you and he chewed you out.

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he mention anything about the President?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall.