Mr. Crafard.

He telephoned up. He couldn't have come up. The door was locked.

Mr. Hubert.

So Jack was there?

Mr. Crafard.

Outside in the car when I went down, Jack and George Senator.

Mr. Hubert.

How long was that after you had spoken to Jack?

Mr. Crafard.

It couldn't have been more than a half hour at the most, because I hadn't much more than got dressed when he called from upstairs.

Mr. Hubert.

As I understood it, about a half hour after you finished talking to the girl you were just about dozing when Jack called?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And said he would be right down?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You got up and dressed?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

You fetched the camera?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

And the bulbs and the film?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you load the camera then?

Mr. Crafard.

The camera was loaded.

Mr. Hubert.

It was already loaded?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he know that?

Mr. Crafard.

He knew it was loaded but nobody had any idea exactly how many--we didn't know for sure how many pictures were left in it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you take some extra film?
Mr.CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

It was all there?

Mr. Crafard.

A roll of extra film.

Mr. Hubert.

All of that wouldn't take a half hour, would it?

Mr. Crafard.

I washed up, I imagine, before I got dressed. I usually did.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he tell you where you were going?

Mr. Crafard.

Not until after we went out there. We took off and I said, "Where are we going?" He didn't say anything. He went on out there.

Mr. Hubert.

When he called by telephone the first time did he tell you where he was?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't know for sure. I don't remember whether he did or not.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you know where he was?

Mr. Crafard.

I took it for granted he was at the home as far as I figured.

Mr. Hubert.

Was there anything that you now recall that would help you remember as to whether he was calling from home or not?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

So in fact you really don't know where he was?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you think it was as much as a half hour after he called that you got the call from the garageman to come down?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he and Senator were in the car?

Mr. Crafard.

That is right.

Mr. Hubert.

Senator was in front?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; Jack and Senator were both in front.

Mr. Hubert.

You got in the back?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

And you drove off?

Mr. Crafard.

That's right.

Mr. Hubert.

It is at that time I think you said you asked him what this was all about?

Mr. Crafard.

I think I said something about where are we going.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he say?

Mr. Crafard.

He said "I want you to take some pictures."
Mr.HUBERT. And did you ask him where?

Mr. Crafard.

He was driving then.