Mr. Hubert.

But you heard adults in the background?

Mr. Crafard.

It sounded to me like it was at least teenagers, kids at least in their midteens, if not older, and I kind of had the idea that they lind probably put her up to a dare.

Mr. Hubert.

And you were willing to go along with that?

Mr. Crafard.

Sure; why not? I would probably never see her.

Mr. Hubert.

And you haven't?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not that I know of.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's put it this way: You may have met some girls since then, but in any case those that you have met have not identified themselves or become identified with that girl?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

That would take us until about 3 o'clock in the morning wouldn't it?

Mr. Crafard.

Right about that; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Were you asleep?

Mr. Crafard.

I think I dozed off about then, and by then this call came from Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

What time was that?

Mr. Crafard.

That must have been between 3:30 and 3:45, I guess.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after the call with the girl?

Mr. Crafard.

It wasn't but about--it couldn't have been more than a half hour.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Jack indicate that he had been trying to get you but the line had been busy?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

What did he want?

Mr. Crafard.

He wanted me to get dressed to meet him downstairs with the camera, Polaroid Land camera, with extra films and extra bulbs.

Mr. Hubert.

That is the camera you told us was previously used for taking the pictures of customers?

Mr. Crafard.

Taking the pictures of what?

Mr. Hubert.

Of customers.

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ask you whether you knew how to operate that camera?

Mr. Crafard.

I think there had been some discussion about the camera on a couple---on a previous occasion about it.

Mr. Hubert.

As a matter of fact, you had operated it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I had operated it at the club a couple of times.

Mr. Hubert.

He knew you had?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; I think there was something said a couple of nights before, something about it.

Mr. Hubert.

You had taken pictures of the customers, as you frequently did, to give them as they danced with the girls? And he knew that you had done that?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, see; yea, he knew that I had done it.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ask you if you knew how to operate one?

Mr. Crafard.

He asked me if I knew how to change the film, that is what it was. I told him yes.

Mr. Hubert.

So what happened then?

Mr. Crafard.

So I went ahead and got dressed. I had just got dressed and got the film and bulbs and was starting to get the camera when this guy from the garage called up and told me Jack was downstairs and wanted me to hurry. So I went out downstairs and got in the car.

Mr. Hubert.

Who was the guy from the garage?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember what his nine was.

Mr. Hubert.

A white man?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was a white boy.

Mr. Hubert.

White woman?

Mr. Crafard.

White man.

Mr. Hubert.

White man. Did he telephone you or come up?