Mr. Crafard.

I believe I wrote it down in that notebook I had. I'm not sure. I don't have her name now. I never had her name after I left Texas, I know that.

Mr. Griffin.

Would you recognize that name in the notebook?

Mr. Crafard.

I'm not even sure of that.

Mr. Hubert.

We will have an opportunity.

Mr. Griffin.

Did she sound like a young girl? How old a person was she?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe she said she was 19, 18 or 19 years old.

Mr. Hubert.

She told you, didn't she, that she had to be at the bus station at 5 o'clock?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was 5, 5:30 or 6 o'clock.

Mr. Hubert.

There is only one bus station there, isn't there?

Mr. Crafard.

Two bus stations, Trailways and Greyhound.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you find out which one?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

She wouldn't tell you that?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Did she tell you what time the bus was going to leave?

Mr. Crafard.

I think she said something about she had to leave where she was at 5:30 or 6 o'clock to catch the bus.

Mr. Hubert.

To catch the bus?

Mr. Crafard.

To catch the bus.

Mr. Hubert.

To go where?

Mr. Crafard.

I think she said she was going to Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you try to find out what buses from either station were leaving around that time?

Mr. Crafard.

No; I didn't call the bus depots or anything. I wasn't that interested in it.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, you were interested enough in her to talk with her for 3 hours. I wondered if you weren't interested enough to find out if you couldn't meet her by going to one of the bus stations.

Mr. Crafard.

She talked--she was leaving town and didn't figure on being back for quite a little while.

Mr. Hubert.

When did she tell you that?

Mr. Crafard.

Shortly after we started--I believe just shortly before we finished the conversation I started to find out where to meet her at.

Mr. Hubert.

Which was it? What killed your interest? Is that what you are trying to tell us?

Mr. Crafard.

I figured she was leaving town, there wasn't no sense in going to too much trouble to try and meet her if she was leaving town and wasn't figuring on being back.
First, she talked like she was going to be gone for the weekend, and then just shortly before we finished the conversation, she give me to understand that she would be gone on a prolonged, for a prolonged period of time.

Mr. Hubert.

So this girl then, who was going for a long period of time, you suggest was willing to talk with you for 3 hours and the conversation, the general tenor of which was sort of love making on the phone, as it were?

Mr. Crafard.

As you would put it; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you find out or try to find out her phone number?

Mr. Crafard.

I asked for her--I tried to get her phone number Where she was at. I tried to get her home phone number. I tried to get her address. She wouldn't.

Mr. Hubert.

She wouldn't give you any of that?

Mr. Crafard.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Can you give us any idea what subject you could possibly have talked about for that length of time?

Mr. Crafard.

Mostly we discussed our different hobbies, our likes and dislikes. Like I say, the conversation was more as if we had known each other for 2 or 3 weeks or better.

Mr. Hubert.

You must have made more than one effort to try to get her phone number and her address.

Mr. Crafard.

Several times I tried.