(Testimony of Curtis L. Crafard Resumed)
Mr. Hubert.
Do you remember that, yourself, or do you think perhaps you picked that up from reading about it somewhere?
Mr. Crafard.
No; I believe that he called his sister on the phone right by the front door.
Mr. Hubert.
You mean that is the public phone?
Mr. Crafard.
No. We had three business phones on the same line in the club.
Mr. Hubert.
The same number, you mean?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes, with the same number.
Mr. Hubert.
But there were different lines, you could make different calls from them?
Mr. Crafard.
No.
Mr. Hubert.
There was one phone with three extensions then?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
Two extensions?
Mr. Crafard.
Two extensions.
Mr. Hubert.
Was there a public phone there, too?
Mr. Crafard.
The public phone was in the back in the hallway. I believe he called his sister from the front door phone there and talked to her and he told her he was coming over, or something.
Mr. Hubert.
You overheard that?
Mr. Crafard.
It was either at that time or later in the afternoon when he come back.
Mr. Hubert.
On that first time that he was there, which was from 2:30 to about 3:15--would that be a fair estimate?
Mr. Crafard.
About 3:15 or 3:30, or something.
Mr. Hubert.
Let's do this. You mentioned a moment ago that he came in about 2:30 and stayed about a half hour to three-quarters of an hour. He came at 2:30 and left at about 3:30.
Then there is a possibility he stayed there an hour on his first visit.
Mr. Crafard.
He might have been there anywhere between a half hour and three-quarters of an hour.
Mr. Hubert.
Anyway, roughly between 3 and 3:30 is when he left?
Mr. Crafard.
Yes.
Mr. Hubert.
And during that period he made one phone call, or you are not sure of that?
Mr. Crafard.
I am not positive. I think he did, but I am not positive.
Mr. Hubert.
If it should turn out that he did not call his sister on that occasion, do you recall any other phone calls that he made during ths first visit?
Mr. Crafard.
I'm not sure. It seems like there was a phone call to his brother or something that he called long distance either then or later in the day or something.
Mr. Hubert.
How did you know he had called long distance?
Mr. Crafard.
Because he had me get the address, get the number or something. He had me give him the phone number.
Mr. Hubert.
Of which brother?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe it was the brother in Chicago---in Detroit, the Cobo Laundry.
Mr. Hubert.
You are talking about Earl, aren't you?
Mr. Crafard.
I believe that is right.
Mr. Hubert.
He did not have Earl's number?
Mr. Crafard.
He had it, he had it in his book at home, and I had it wrote down in the book of phone numbers there in the office.
Mr. Hubert.
And you then gave him the number, or dialed for him?
Mr. Crafard.
I gave it to him, I believe, and he dialed it.
Mr. Hubert.
You were present when he dialed?
Mr. Crafard.
Andy and I were both there in the main part of the club where he was at.
Mr. Hubert.
There was no one else in the club at that time?
Mr. Crafard.
No; just Andy and I.
Mr. Hubert.
Do you know why he didn't use his office phone?
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