Mr. Crafard.

As far as nightclubs, nightclub activity was concerned, for all nightclubs concerned, it would pretty well pull a lot of the conventions away, and such as that.

Mr. Hubert.

So that when Ruby came back and expressed his concern about the shooting of the President, he adverted to the fact that that crime would hurt Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Would hurt the convention business and would hurt his business?

Mr. Crafard.

He just said all nightclubs. He said the nightclub business in general, I believe, more than his personal business.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he specifically advert to how that would affect the Carousel and the Vegas?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I can recall.
Andy and I both, I believe it was myself that made the statement that the guy, whoever had done that, had ought to hang, or something to that effect. and we was all pretty much in agreement on that subject. Our agreement on that was about the same.

Mr. Hubert.

In other words, in this conference, I call it conference, I mean meeting that you and Andy and Jack had together, which commenced about 2 hours after the President's assassination, you discussed the fact that it was a terrible crime, that it would hurt the city and the nightclub business and that the man who did it ought to be punished?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And Jack was a part of that?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; we was all pretty much in agreement on that. We agreed to the fact it would----

Mr. Hubert.

Did you know at that time who had done it or who was suspected of having done it?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe that earlier on the news, or something, I believe they suspected Oswald.

Mr. Hubert.

Had he been mentioned by name?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he had; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

That was prior to the time Ruby came in?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe so, I'm not definite on that, but I believe so.

Mr. Hubert.

Well, Ruby came in, you are quite sure, about 2 hours after you heard of it?

Mr. Crafard.

About 2 hours, yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And you heard of it at a little after 12:30?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; just shortly after it happened.

Mr. Hubert.

So Jack told you that there is no use cleaning up?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. He said, "We're going to close the club for the weekend."

Mr. Hubert.

What did he propose to do about the cleaning up job as to the club?

Mr. Crafard.

Just leave it go until Monday.

Mr. Hubert.

Just let it stay as it was until Monday?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

And he so told you?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had he made up his mind at that time to close the club for the entire weekend?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he just said for Friday and Saturday night at that time. He said something about cleaning up later on, or something, and then he come back later and he left.

Mr. Hubert.

Let's see, how long did he stay, before we get to this point?

Mr. Crafard.

He was there maybe a half hour or 45 minutes.

Mr. Hubert.

What else did. he do there besides converse with you as you have already testified?

Mr. Crafard.

That was about it right there, I guess.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he make any phone calls?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he called his sister. I'm not sure.