Mr. Crafard.

said something about it, but there was nothing definite at that time, I didn't know anything definite about it until I read it in the paper.

Mr. Hubert.

You had read something in the paper about his coming prior to the time that the route was set out?

Mr. Crafard.

There was something in the paper about it figured he would come or something but so far as I can recall there was nothing definite until that same issue.

Mr. Hubert.

Now, did you ever talk to Ruby about it?

Mr. Crafard.

No. There wasn't much said about it in the club.

Mr. Hubert.

Was anything said about it?

Mr. Crafard.

Something the day the paper came out with the proposed route, we all said something about the fact that he was coming to town, Dallas, that it would probably help Dallas a little bit.

Mr. Hubert.

Help in what way?

Mr. Crafard.

Maybe bring a few more conventions or something.

Mr. Hubert.

Who said that?

Mr. Crafard.

We all discussed it, Andy and Jack and I.

Mr. Hubert.

Including Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember specifically a conference, or conversation, rather, of which there were three, at least, Jack Ruby and Andy Armstrong, at which it was mentioned that it was a good thing for Dallas because it would bring more conventions?

Mr. Crafard.

It was in the paper, when Jack came to the club we already had the paper there and Jack came to the club and he read the paper and said something about it and then he said something to the effect that it might help Dallas a little bit because it might bring more conventions to Dallas, or something to that effect.

Mr. Hubert.

That was the day that the paper came out with the route?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you talked to Ruby about the President's visit prior to that dat,

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you talked to anyone else?

Mr. Crafard.

Not that I recall.

Mr. Hubert.

You didn't let me finish my question. Had you talked to anyone else about the fact that the President might be coming to Dallas?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't recall anything about it, sir.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say there was no conversation in the club about it other than what you have testified to----

Mr. Crafard.

None that I can recall.

Mr. Hubert.

Was any mention made of the fact that in any conversation between you and Jack or anybody else about the fact that the parade would pass near the club?

Mr. Crafard.

There was something said that we only have to walk a block, I think, or something like that, up where we could see the parade.

Mr. Hubert.

Who said that?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember whether it was Andy or myself.

Mr. Hubert.

Could it have been Ruby?

Mr. Crafard.

It might have been. I don't know.

Mr. Hubert.

In any case, either you or Andy made such a remark, and was Jack present when it was made?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe he was; yes.

Mr. Hubert.

You have a distinct recollection of that?

Mr. Crafard.

I don't have a distinct recollection; no.

Mr. Hubert.

Was it on the same occasion that you mentioned earlier that he came in and said about how it would improve the business?

Mr. Crafard.

I believe it was the day before the President's trip, arrival in Dallas, Andy and I had been saying something about wanting to see it and some one of us said something about it was only about a block or something like that to go to see it.