Mr. Hubert.

When you say he got mad about it, how did he manifest his anger?

Mr. Crafard.

Raising his voice, shouting and calling Andy some "stupid."

Mr. Griffin.

Did Jack swear, use profanity?

Mr. Crafard.

Very seldom. When he usually did it was usually "hell" or "damn."

Mr. Hubert.

Have you any other examples to give us that would throw light upon his temper?

Mr. Crafard.

One day, I was using a vacuum cleaner and it wouldn't work and something went wrong with it, something like that, the club has got to be clean, you would think the man would be kind of perturbed about it and he wasn't the least bit bothered about it. I would be cleaning the club and he would come in while I was cleaning the club, and he would get pretty perturbed because I was working the vacuum cleaner while he was there and he would yell at me and make me quit cleaning until he had left.

Mr. Hubert.

Had you ever seen him in arguments with other people?

Mr. Crafard.

A couple of times with, he got pretty perturbed at the M.C.s, the one M.C. because of some of the jokes he was telling, some of the stories.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about that, please, start off with the name of the M.C. if you can.

Mr. Crafard.

I don't remember the M.C.s name.

Mr. Hubert.

Do you remember what period of time it was?

Mr. Crafard.

Working for Jack when I went to work for him. He was working for Jack.

Mr. Hubert.

How many M.C.s worked during that time?

Mr. Crafard.

About three different M.C.s.

Mr. Hubert.

This was the one who was working when you first went to work with it?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Tell us about that?

Mr. Crafard.

He had quite a habit of telling racial jokes and Jack was pretty much against this and on several occasions he got pretty perturbed with the M.C. for telling the racial jokes.

Mr. Hubert.

When you say pretty perturbed, you see that doesn't tell us about what he did.

Mr. Crafard.

To the point where he went in among the chairs right by the stage and was yelling at the M.C.

Mr. Hubert.

So that he could be heard all over the club?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes. Very definitely.

Mr. Hubert.

And yelling, by yelling you mean that his voice was raised above the normal?

Mr. Crafard.

Very much so.

Mr. Hubert.

What was he saying?

Mr. Crafard.

Telling him, you know, "I don't like that kind of jokes in here." He said, stuff like that.

Mr. Hubert.

What kind of jokes were they?

Mr. Crafard.

Racial jokes.

Mr. Hubert.

Well about what race?

Mr. Crafard.

Colored people.

Mr. Hubert.

About the colored people?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; Jack was against a racial joke of any type, very much so.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you find that out from him or just from this occasion?

Mr. Crafard.

From these different occasions like that.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he ever tell you himself that he was?

Mr. Crafard.

No; not personally, but from the way he acted on different occasions like that that would happen he would chew the M.C. out pretty good for telling the racial jokes and for some pretty vulgar jokes he told on occasions.

Mr. Hubert.

You mean he objected to vulgar jokes?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; he said that his objection was the club was no place for that real vulgar type of joke.

Mr. Hubert.

By vulgar you mean a joke that dealt with sex?

Mr. Crafard.

Yes; joke that would leave no doubt in a person's mind that it was a sexual joke. Some of them that he told were just that type of joke.